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		<title>By: xray</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2008/11/contest-answer-biobags-okay-for-compost/comment-page-1/#comment-6196</link>
		<dc:creator>xray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think there some elements of truth to your thesis..I have to suggest that a little knowledge is dangerous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;BioBag&#039;s in an aerobic environment will degrade. SOme m ethane like all living plants, humans, squirrels, etc..give off methane gas as part of natural decomposition.   Methane is a relatively potent greenhouse gas with a high global warming potential of 72 (averaged over 20 years) or 25 (averaged over 100 years).[1] Methane in the atmosphere is eventually oxidized, producing carbon dioxide and water. As a result, methane in the atmosphere has a half life of seven years. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The abundance of methane in the Earth&#039;s atmosphere in 1998 was 1745parts per billion, up from 700 ppb in 1750. In the same time period, CO2 increased from 278 to 365 parts per million. The radiative forcing effect due to this increase in methane abundance is about one-third of that of the CO2 increase.[2] In addition, there is a large, but unknown, amount of methane in methane clathrates in the ocean floors. The Earth&#039;s crust contains huge amounts of methane. Large amounts of methane are produced anaerobically by methanogenesis. Other sources include mud volcanoes, which are connected with deep geological faults, and livestock (primarily cows) from enteric fermentation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The end of the world is not projected to be via Methane gas. All plants, humans  and animals &quot;breaking wind&quot; let out methane gas into the atmosphere as do volacanoes.  But to suggest that BioBags are more dangerous than plastic is possibly the same as quoting Ted Danson in 1978 indicating that the oceans will rise 30 feet by the year 2000.  Junk science is exactly what it is..Junk science.  Bio Bags degrade in to Biopolymers which are harmless to the earth as corn stalks in Kansas.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One would have to be taken in by Al Gore and global warming to go down the same path as yourself. But consider more evidence to refute your position:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  It seems you are putting up a straw man in order to be able to kick in the methane issue.  The skeptics are not that dumb. They do come up with some reasonable objections to the AGW hypothesis. It is not all rubbish what they say, nor always with bad intentions or hidden agenda&#039;s. If someone can be expected to have an agenda then it is an American politician who thinks that this will lead him into the White House. The simplistic reasoning and applied demagoguery of Al Gore (in fact, he makes himself a straw man) give the skeptics an easy target to attack. Al Gore&#039;s movie can hardly be qualified as being properly peer reviewed. I am flabbergasted by the gullibility of the otherwise critical environmental groups for embracing this politician so uncritically. I wouldn&#039;t want  him to pull my bandwagon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Talking about CO2. How come that the Southern Polar Monthly Mean Temperature Anomalies show a cooling trend for the last 27 years, yet the Antarctic is believed to be melting. There is certainly no relationship with the gradually increasing CO2 concentrations&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But Please do not misstate or place misinformation out there that plastic bags which last 400-1000 years, in your opinon as an armchair wizard of all, create a better environment. That is blatantly false, untrue and exactly what a plastic industry lobbyist might wish people to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think there some elements of truth to your thesis..I have to suggest that a little knowledge is dangerous.</p>
<p>BioBag&#8217;s in an aerobic environment will degrade. SOme m ethane like all living plants, humans, squirrels, etc..give off methane gas as part of natural decomposition.   Methane is a relatively potent greenhouse gas with a high global warming potential of 72 (averaged over 20 years) or 25 (averaged over 100 years).[1] Methane in the atmosphere is eventually oxidized, producing carbon dioxide and water. As a result, methane in the atmosphere has a half life of seven years. </p>
<p>The abundance of methane in the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere in 1998 was 1745parts per billion, up from 700 ppb in 1750. In the same time period, CO2 increased from 278 to 365 parts per million. The radiative forcing effect due to this increase in methane abundance is about one-third of that of the CO2 increase.[2] In addition, there is a large, but unknown, amount of methane in methane clathrates in the ocean floors. The Earth&#8217;s crust contains huge amounts of methane. Large amounts of methane are produced anaerobically by methanogenesis. Other sources include mud volcanoes, which are connected with deep geological faults, and livestock (primarily cows) from enteric fermentation.</p>
<p>The end of the world is not projected to be via Methane gas. All plants, humans  and animals &#8220;breaking wind&#8221; let out methane gas into the atmosphere as do volacanoes.  But to suggest that BioBags are more dangerous than plastic is possibly the same as quoting Ted Danson in 1978 indicating that the oceans will rise 30 feet by the year 2000.  Junk science is exactly what it is..Junk science.  Bio Bags degrade in to Biopolymers which are harmless to the earth as corn stalks in Kansas.  </p>
<p>One would have to be taken in by Al Gore and global warming to go down the same path as yourself. But consider more evidence to refute your position:</p>
<p>  It seems you are putting up a straw man in order to be able to kick in the methane issue.  The skeptics are not that dumb. They do come up with some reasonable objections to the AGW hypothesis. It is not all rubbish what they say, nor always with bad intentions or hidden agenda&#8217;s. If someone can be expected to have an agenda then it is an American politician who thinks that this will lead him into the White House. The simplistic reasoning and applied demagoguery of Al Gore (in fact, he makes himself a straw man) give the skeptics an easy target to attack. Al Gore&#8217;s movie can hardly be qualified as being properly peer reviewed. I am flabbergasted by the gullibility of the otherwise critical environmental groups for embracing this politician so uncritically. I wouldn&#8217;t want  him to pull my bandwagon.</p>
<p>Talking about CO2. How come that the Southern Polar Monthly Mean Temperature Anomalies show a cooling trend for the last 27 years, yet the Antarctic is believed to be melting. There is certainly no relationship with the gradually increasing CO2 concentrations</p>
<p>But Please do not misstate or place misinformation out there that plastic bags which last 400-1000 years, in your opinon as an armchair wizard of all, create a better environment. That is blatantly false, untrue and exactly what a plastic industry lobbyist might wish people to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2008/11/contest-answer-biobags-okay-for-compost/comment-page-1/#comment-4146</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great to know, as I have been really pushing BioBags on the family lately. We use our to line our small compost bin, which then we empty into a larger bin in our apartment complex, and then Sunset Scavenger picks it up for SF&#039;s city-sponsored compost program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great to know, as I have been really pushing BioBags on the family lately. We use our to line our small compost bin, which then we empty into a larger bin in our apartment complex, and then Sunset Scavenger picks it up for SF&#8217;s city-sponsored compost program.</p>
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		<title>By: Amaya 5</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2008/11/contest-answer-biobags-okay-for-compost/comment-page-1/#comment-4113</link>
		<dc:creator>Amaya 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Yogi Berra once said &quot;What gets us into trouble is not what we don&#039;t know, It&#039;s what we know for sure that just ain&#039;t so.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Yogi Berra once said &#8220;What gets us into trouble is not what we don&#8217;t know, It&#8217;s what we know for sure that just ain&#8217;t so.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Fake Plastic Fish</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2008/11/contest-answer-biobags-okay-for-compost/comment-page-1/#comment-4102</link>
		<dc:creator>Fake Plastic Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condo Blues -- are you allowed to use grocery bags instead of actual trash bags?  Maybe, since you don&#039;t have any grocery bags yourself (because you are so conscientious about bringing reusable bags shopping) you could ask your less conscientious friends for their used plastic bags or put an ad on Freecycle for them.  Just a thought.  There are also garbage bags made from recycled plastic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Like I said, there&#039;s no perfect answer here.  Fortunately in Oakland, we are not required to bag our garbage, so we don&#039;t use any bags at all.  And really, the only garbage we have is M&#039;s non-recyclable plastic (since all my plastic is stashed in the closet) and some non-compostable laundry lint. (Non-compostable because the fibers are not all natural.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condo Blues &#8212; are you allowed to use grocery bags instead of actual trash bags?  Maybe, since you don&#8217;t have any grocery bags yourself (because you are so conscientious about bringing reusable bags shopping) you could ask your less conscientious friends for their used plastic bags or put an ad on Freecycle for them.  Just a thought.  There are also garbage bags made from recycled plastic.</p>
<p>Like I said, there&#8217;s no perfect answer here.  Fortunately in Oakland, we are not required to bag our garbage, so we don&#8217;t use any bags at all.  And really, the only garbage we have is M&#8217;s non-recyclable plastic (since all my plastic is stashed in the closet) and some non-compostable laundry lint. (Non-compostable because the fibers are not all natural.)</p>
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		<title>By: Condo Blues</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2008/11/contest-answer-biobags-okay-for-compost/comment-page-1/#comment-4100</link>
		<dc:creator>Condo Blues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Now I&#039;m confused and think I&#039;m screwed either way I go. My city requires that I bag my trash. If I use a regular trash bag it won&#039;t biodegrade in the bandfill. Now I find that if I use a biobag it give off methane in the landfill. We don&#039;t generate much trash at all approx a small grocery bag of trash every 2 weeks or more (I&#039;m using this as for size purposes only, I have reusable grocery store bags.) so what&#039;s the better choice? Paper bags aren&#039;t an option BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Now I&#8217;m confused and think I&#8217;m screwed either way I go. My city requires that I bag my trash. If I use a regular trash bag it won&#8217;t biodegrade in the bandfill. Now I find that if I use a biobag it give off methane in the landfill. We don&#8217;t generate much trash at all approx a small grocery bag of trash every 2 weeks or more (I&#8217;m using this as for size purposes only, I have reusable grocery store bags.) so what&#8217;s the better choice? Paper bags aren&#8217;t an option BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Fake Plastic Fish</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2008/11/contest-answer-biobags-okay-for-compost/comment-page-1/#comment-4087</link>
		<dc:creator>Fake Plastic Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Juli.  I&#039;m not an expert, but I do know that in a properly maintained compost pile, oxygen will be part of the mix, so aerobic decomposition will take place.  Most modern landfills, on other hand, are sealed off from the air, so anaerobic decomposition occurs instead.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here&#039;s a page that compares both aerobic and anaerobic composting methods.  The reference to &quot;noxious gases&quot; in the anaerobic section includes methane.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.rivenrock.com/composttypes.htm&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.rivenrock.com/composttypes.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Indeed, in my first attempt with the compost tumbler, I didn&#039;t tumble it enough and I got some noxious smelling greenhouse gases!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Juli.  I&#8217;m not an expert, but I do know that in a properly maintained compost pile, oxygen will be part of the mix, so aerobic decomposition will take place.  Most modern landfills, on other hand, are sealed off from the air, so anaerobic decomposition occurs instead.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a page that compares both aerobic and anaerobic composting methods.  The reference to &#8220;noxious gases&#8221; in the anaerobic section includes methane.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.rivenrock.com/composttypes.htm" REL="nofollow">http://www.rivenrock.com/composttypes.htm</a></p>
<p>Indeed, in my first attempt with the compost tumbler, I didn&#8217;t tumble it enough and I got some noxious smelling greenhouse gases!</p>
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		<title>By: Juli</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2008/11/contest-answer-biobags-okay-for-compost/comment-page-1/#comment-4085</link>
		<dc:creator>Juli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beth,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am still confused about anaerobic vs. aerobic decomposition.  Would a decomposing bio-bag not produce methane gas in a compost bin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beth,</p>
<p>I am still confused about anaerobic vs. aerobic decomposition.  Would a decomposing bio-bag not produce methane gas in a compost bin?</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beth - &lt;br/&gt;I have to say that in our area, the Monterey Peninsula - I am of the opinion that the compostable bags are great for our landfill.  We have a forward-thinking operation at our local MRWMD landfill that is lined with pipes that collect the methane generated by decomposing items and powers the whole facility as well as selling the electricity back to the grid!  Wish all dumps were so classy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beth &#8211; <br />I have to say that in our area, the Monterey Peninsula &#8211; I am of the opinion that the compostable bags are great for our landfill.  We have a forward-thinking operation at our local MRWMD landfill that is lined with pipes that collect the methane generated by decomposing items and powers the whole facility as well as selling the electricity back to the grid!  Wish all dumps were so classy!</p>
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		<title>By: CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question about the use of biodegradable bags has always been why the putrefying products inside them (animal waste, veggies if you&#039;re not composting, whatever) wouldn&#039;t, you know, be merrily putrefying and releasing methane within the bags, just as they would within non-biodegradable bags. It&#039;s not like the bio bags were just going to fall apart the minute they hit the landfill. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, I was looking for an excuse to justify my continued use of (mostly scavenged) supermarket bags for the trash can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question about the use of biodegradable bags has always been why the putrefying products inside them (animal waste, veggies if you&#8217;re not composting, whatever) wouldn&#8217;t, you know, be merrily putrefying and releasing methane within the bags, just as they would within non-biodegradable bags. It&#8217;s not like the bio bags were just going to fall apart the minute they hit the landfill. </p>
<p>Of course, I was looking for an excuse to justify my continued use of (mostly scavenged) supermarket bags for the trash can.</p>
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		<title>By: axelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>axelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sell prints of my paintings. In the past, when one was sold, it was rolled in newsprint and the roll was pasted together with scraps of  Japanese paper.  But a hot-shot sales rep advised me to  upgrade the packaging to a more professional look so I  mounted the prints on acid-free board and put them in clear bags like the kind that come with hand-made greeting cards.  Once I found Fake Plastic Fish, my plastic-conscience  bothered me until recently when my supplier for the bags, clearbags.com,  started using biodegradable plastic bags hooray!  I&#039;ll now include an advisory on how to dispose of the bag properly, which I learned from FPF of course, each time I sell a print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sell prints of my paintings. In the past, when one was sold, it was rolled in newsprint and the roll was pasted together with scraps of  Japanese paper.  But a hot-shot sales rep advised me to  upgrade the packaging to a more professional look so I  mounted the prints on acid-free board and put them in clear bags like the kind that come with hand-made greeting cards.  Once I found Fake Plastic Fish, my plastic-conscience  bothered me until recently when my supplier for the bags, clearbags.com,  started using biodegradable plastic bags hooray!  I&#8217;ll now include an advisory on how to dispose of the bag properly, which I learned from FPF of course, each time I sell a print.</p>
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