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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that there must be a way to reduce the risk of cross-contamination in bulk food stores and introducing standards for storage (which hopefully does not involve plastic) . If they can do it for plastic packaging when they&#039;re packaging different things in large factories(food must come in bulk in the first place from somewhere, unless there were some plastic-bearing grain or plants that I&#039;m not aware of), they must be able to do it in grocery stores. (Then again, most things are cross-contaminated with allergens even in plastic packaging--Most foods have labels that indicate that they may not be safe for peanut/wheat allergies, and very few say that they are.) As for bad behavior around the bulk bins... I feel that people can learn. We have to have faith in the human capacity to learn. Instead of saying, &quot;oh, no way,&quot; it&#039;s more productive to think instead, &quot;how can we make this better?&quot; Waste is not an issue only for bulk bin stores, all grocery stores have this problem. They have to plan ahead and figure out how much food they actually need to stock, how long they can stock them, what are the conditions required for storing them safely, and what the demands are, the same goes for restaurants, and every ounce counts. We&#039;re not groping in the dark here. We have ALL this accumulated knowledge and science to help us make this happen. 

People in America seem to feel okay with open bulk vegetable and fruit sections, even though everybody is touching them, and you don&#039;t heat them up to eat them. (People touch peaches to see how hard and firm they are so that they can pick the ones with the desired ripeness.) Do people demand that grocery stores package every single vegetable in plastic? (Oh, I shudder at the thought of individually wrapped bananas, and peaches and cherries.) No, because they see other people doing it, and it&#039;s the norm. And norms can change, it just depends on how you view it. 

In Taiwan, housewives prefer open markets not only for fruit and vegetables but for dried noodles, meats, and prepared foods because the quality is better and you get cheaper for more, and they&#039;re always full of people. It&#039;s not perfect and it can benefit from more standardization (like making the floor less gross, for example)  but as it is, it&#039;s not the sanitary nightmare that people in America imagine it would be, and we do just fine. You are welcome to bring your containers, the person weighs them for you, and he or she often adds everything in the head, cross-check the amount with the customer, and the customer pays, while the other customers are free to shop around and leave their filled counters at the counter until they&#039;re ready to pay. If you think America&#039;s supermarkets are busy, Taiwan&#039;s population density is way higher, and service clerks service a lot more people in a day.

Contamination (like that pig-disease scare I forgot the name of) mostly comes from upstream, when the farms mess it up with their practice of crowding too many livestocks(we have so little space in Taiwan, and landfills are overflowing, why can&#039;t we try to free up the landfills?), and(!) in food packaging(finding bugs in the plastic), oh yea, and let&#039;s not forget DEHP, the plasticizer that nobody knew was being added to sports drinks and fruit drinks because of the secrecy surrounding the food industry. And why were they adding them? because it was a magically cheaper alternative to another drink additive that the industry add to their packaged drinks so that fruit juices don&#039;t have natural condensation at the bottom. 

If you DON&#039;T KNOW what to test for then you won&#039;t find it, for each new compound you have to develop a new indicator that is reliable and shows up most of the time and can be separated from other chemicals.  In our case, it took us 20 years before some sharp-eyed inspector realized there were abnormal wavelengths corresponding to the DEHP in the drinks. Usually they just run a test of known chemicals, so nobody ever found out that some OTHER thing was in there. Just imagine the amount of waste that came from taking all this food off the shelves and incinerating them. Some of the foods were innocent in the sense that it was not the manufacturers who deliberately put DEHP in them, but they had unacceptable levels of DEHP due to packaging. 

Oh, yea, and it&#039;s great that because of these food additives, people think fruit juices &quot;naturally&quot; come with neon red coloring and have no condensation of fruit pulps on the bottom and have to be taught to separate something that is really natural from something that has DEHP in it. 

I&#039;m all for local bulk food stores. I wish they were more widely available in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that there must be a way to reduce the risk of cross-contamination in bulk food stores and introducing standards for storage (which hopefully does not involve plastic) . If they can do it for plastic packaging when they&#8217;re packaging different things in large factories(food must come in bulk in the first place from somewhere, unless there were some plastic-bearing grain or plants that I&#8217;m not aware of), they must be able to do it in grocery stores. (Then again, most things are cross-contaminated with allergens even in plastic packaging&#8211;Most foods have labels that indicate that they may not be safe for peanut/wheat allergies, and very few say that they are.) As for bad behavior around the bulk bins&#8230; I feel that people can learn. We have to have faith in the human capacity to learn. Instead of saying, &#8220;oh, no way,&#8221; it&#8217;s more productive to think instead, &#8220;how can we make this better?&#8221; Waste is not an issue only for bulk bin stores, all grocery stores have this problem. They have to plan ahead and figure out how much food they actually need to stock, how long they can stock them, what are the conditions required for storing them safely, and what the demands are, the same goes for restaurants, and every ounce counts. We&#8217;re not groping in the dark here. We have ALL this accumulated knowledge and science to help us make this happen. </p>
<p>People in America seem to feel okay with open bulk vegetable and fruit sections, even though everybody is touching them, and you don&#8217;t heat them up to eat them. (People touch peaches to see how hard and firm they are so that they can pick the ones with the desired ripeness.) Do people demand that grocery stores package every single vegetable in plastic? (Oh, I shudder at the thought of individually wrapped bananas, and peaches and cherries.) No, because they see other people doing it, and it&#8217;s the norm. And norms can change, it just depends on how you view it. </p>
<p>In Taiwan, housewives prefer open markets not only for fruit and vegetables but for dried noodles, meats, and prepared foods because the quality is better and you get cheaper for more, and they&#8217;re always full of people. It&#8217;s not perfect and it can benefit from more standardization (like making the floor less gross, for example)  but as it is, it&#8217;s not the sanitary nightmare that people in America imagine it would be, and we do just fine. You are welcome to bring your containers, the person weighs them for you, and he or she often adds everything in the head, cross-check the amount with the customer, and the customer pays, while the other customers are free to shop around and leave their filled counters at the counter until they&#8217;re ready to pay. If you think America&#8217;s supermarkets are busy, Taiwan&#8217;s population density is way higher, and service clerks service a lot more people in a day.</p>
<p>Contamination (like that pig-disease scare I forgot the name of) mostly comes from upstream, when the farms mess it up with their practice of crowding too many livestocks(we have so little space in Taiwan, and landfills are overflowing, why can&#8217;t we try to free up the landfills?), and(!) in food packaging(finding bugs in the plastic), oh yea, and let&#8217;s not forget DEHP, the plasticizer that nobody knew was being added to sports drinks and fruit drinks because of the secrecy surrounding the food industry. And why were they adding them? because it was a magically cheaper alternative to another drink additive that the industry add to their packaged drinks so that fruit juices don&#8217;t have natural condensation at the bottom. </p>
<p>If you DON&#8217;T KNOW what to test for then you won&#8217;t find it, for each new compound you have to develop a new indicator that is reliable and shows up most of the time and can be separated from other chemicals.  In our case, it took us 20 years before some sharp-eyed inspector realized there were abnormal wavelengths corresponding to the DEHP in the drinks. Usually they just run a test of known chemicals, so nobody ever found out that some OTHER thing was in there. Just imagine the amount of waste that came from taking all this food off the shelves and incinerating them. Some of the foods were innocent in the sense that it was not the manufacturers who deliberately put DEHP in them, but they had unacceptable levels of DEHP due to packaging. </p>
<p>Oh, yea, and it&#8217;s great that because of these food additives, people think fruit juices &#8220;naturally&#8221; come with neon red coloring and have no condensation of fruit pulps on the bottom and have to be taught to separate something that is really natural from something that has DEHP in it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for local bulk food stores. I wish they were more widely available in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and most of my grocery items are bought from the bulk isle, I always buy from there if I can.  On my once a month trip I usually come out with only one (cloth) grocery bag full, it&#039;s mostly quinoa, pasta, nuts, some spices, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and most of my grocery items are bought from the bulk isle, I always buy from there if I can.  On my once a month trip I usually come out with only one (cloth) grocery bag full, it&#8217;s mostly quinoa, pasta, nuts, some spices, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might have a bulk store &quot;near by&quot; but it&#039;s long drive for me (compared to the short walk I usually take...) and it&#039;s not in an area I ever go to on even a semi-regular basis.  I&#039;ve never been to this store so I&#039;m not actually sure what it&#039;s like and if it&#039;s a bulk store like I&#039;m looking for.  I would LOVE if I had a bulk store close to me, and I would love it even more if I could take my own containers without having to pay for the weight!

Currently I shop at the vegetable store (farmers market in the summer) once a week, and the grocery store once a month or less.  I always bring my own bags, I have mesh bags, nylon bags, and cotton bags depending on what I need them for.  I used to just toss all my produce on the counter but it was so awkward, especially at the vegetable store, so now I use various bags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might have a bulk store &#8220;near by&#8221; but it&#8217;s long drive for me (compared to the short walk I usually take&#8230;) and it&#8217;s not in an area I ever go to on even a semi-regular basis.  I&#8217;ve never been to this store so I&#8217;m not actually sure what it&#8217;s like and if it&#8217;s a bulk store like I&#8217;m looking for.  I would LOVE if I had a bulk store close to me, and I would love it even more if I could take my own containers without having to pay for the weight!</p>
<p>Currently I shop at the vegetable store (farmers market in the summer) once a week, and the grocery store once a month or less.  I always bring my own bags, I have mesh bags, nylon bags, and cotton bags depending on what I need them for.  I used to just toss all my produce on the counter but it was so awkward, especially at the vegetable store, so now I use various bags.</p>
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		<title>By: Eco-Vegan Gal</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2009/05/bulk-bins-if-you-had-them-would-you-use/comment-page-2/#comment-32423</link>
		<dc:creator>Eco-Vegan Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bulk section is my second favorite part of a market (1st is produce). I wish more stores have bulk options. Rainbow Grocery takes the cake as most impressive bulk selection - I wish all stores were like that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bulk section is my second favorite part of a market (1st is produce). I wish more stores have bulk options. Rainbow Grocery takes the cake as most impressive bulk selection &#8211; I wish all stores were like that!<br />
<span class="cluv">Eco-Vegan Gal´s last [type] ..<a class="ecb9c7e990 32423" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ecovegangal.com/2011/02/berkeley-vegan-earth-day-friday-april.html">Berkeley Vegan Earth Day &#8211; Friday April 22nd</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was delighted yesterday to find all the bulk bins at the Sprouts store and plan to start buying there.  I&#039;m very new to the program but VERY excited about it.  A friend gave me a copy of Sunset magazine which had an article about Bea Johnson who has a blog called The Zero Waste Home.  I&#039;ve been obsessed with plans to live a greener lifestyle ever since and subsequently found your website too.  You are an inspiration!  I live with my husband and his dad and that may hold me up a little but buying most staples in bulk is one thing I&#039;m sure I can do.  Sprouts stores are springing up all over Colorado and there are two about ten miles from me.  I live in a rural area so everything is a distance; I&#039;m used to driving.  I didn&#039;t see bulk pasta there but maybe Whole Foods has it.  I have a few after holiday sewing chores to finish up but then I&#039;m off to buy muslin for making re-useable bags for the bulk flour :-)  Happy to be on board!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was delighted yesterday to find all the bulk bins at the Sprouts store and plan to start buying there.  I&#8217;m very new to the program but VERY excited about it.  A friend gave me a copy of Sunset magazine which had an article about Bea Johnson who has a blog called The Zero Waste Home.  I&#8217;ve been obsessed with plans to live a greener lifestyle ever since and subsequently found your website too.  You are an inspiration!  I live with my husband and his dad and that may hold me up a little but buying most staples in bulk is one thing I&#8217;m sure I can do.  Sprouts stores are springing up all over Colorado and there are two about ten miles from me.  I live in a rural area so everything is a distance; I&#8217;m used to driving.  I didn&#8217;t see bulk pasta there but maybe Whole Foods has it.  I have a few after holiday sewing chores to finish up but then I&#8217;m off to buy muslin for making re-useable bags for the bulk flour :-)  Happy to be on board!</p>
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		<title>By: SGiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>SGiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your environmentally conscious, and are searching for a larger-scale bulk container, you should look into RPP Containers.  They buy your used bulk containers and container scrap, grind them down and make new, enviromentally friendly containers.  Their product is called DuraGreen.  I can really appreciate what they are trying to do here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your environmentally conscious, and are searching for a larger-scale bulk container, you should look into RPP Containers.  They buy your used bulk containers and container scrap, grind them down and make new, enviromentally friendly containers.  Their product is called DuraGreen.  I can really appreciate what they are trying to do here!</p>
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		<title>By: SGiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>SGiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your environmentally conscious, and are searching for a larger-scale bulk container, you should look into RPP Containers.  They buy your used bulk containers and container scrap, grind them down and make new, enviromentally friendly containers.  Their product is called DuraGreen.  I can really appreciate what they are trying to do here!

http://www.bulkcontainerrecycling.com/ or http://www.usedbulkcontainers.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your environmentally conscious, and are searching for a larger-scale bulk container, you should look into RPP Containers.  They buy your used bulk containers and container scrap, grind them down and make new, enviromentally friendly containers.  Their product is called DuraGreen.  I can really appreciate what they are trying to do here!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bulkcontainerrecycling.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bulkcontainerrecycling.com/</a> or <a href="http://www.usedbulkcontainers.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.usedbulkcontainers.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josefine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josefine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I most definitely would use bulk bins if I had them close-by. The only thing I can buy in bulk at a reasonable distance from my home is müsli though, which I use for buying cereal, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds and similar. Also many different kinds of nuts are available in bulk bins in almost every store in Sweden, as a part of &quot;Nature&#039;s Candy&quot; (freely translated, probably erroneous). 

I have found a small co-operative business which has several different kinds of beans, rice, quinoa and even sundried tomatoes in bulk bins. Sadly, however, this store is located quite far away from me, approximately four hours of train ride. It is closer to my sister&#039;s home, though, and I visit it each time I visit her, stocking up on items available in bulk there. It feels as though this limits my shopping since I cannot do without immense planning, and it is fairly irritating. I have searched in vain for a store offering bulk bins and located closer to me for about six months, but I am very close to giving up.

The bulk bin way of shopping is generally considered unsanitary in Sweden, I&#039;d say. Unfortunately. :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I most definitely would use bulk bins if I had them close-by. The only thing I can buy in bulk at a reasonable distance from my home is müsli though, which I use for buying cereal, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds and similar. Also many different kinds of nuts are available in bulk bins in almost every store in Sweden, as a part of &#8220;Nature&#8217;s Candy&#8221; (freely translated, probably erroneous). </p>
<p>I have found a small co-operative business which has several different kinds of beans, rice, quinoa and even sundried tomatoes in bulk bins. Sadly, however, this store is located quite far away from me, approximately four hours of train ride. It is closer to my sister&#8217;s home, though, and I visit it each time I visit her, stocking up on items available in bulk there. It feels as though this limits my shopping since I cannot do without immense planning, and it is fairly irritating. I have searched in vain for a store offering bulk bins and located closer to me for about six months, but I am very close to giving up.</p>
<p>The bulk bin way of shopping is generally considered unsanitary in Sweden, I&#8217;d say. Unfortunately. :/<br />
<span class="cluv">Josefine´s last [type] ..<a class="3f5b6ebdbd 14990" rel="nofollow" href="http://plastprojektet.blogspot.com/2010/06/ny-marknad-for-atervunnen-plast.html">Ny marknad för återvunnen plast</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Beth Terry</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2009/05/bulk-bins-if-you-had-them-would-you-use/comment-page-2/#comment-11159</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 00:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefan, I totally agree with you about our society&#039;s recent germ-phobia.  Children need to be exposed to a certain amount of germs for their immune systems to develop.  All these toxic chemicals we are using to create sanitary conditions are poisoning our children and destroying the very mechanisms they need to fight off infection in the first place.

Also, I love how when we give up packaged, processed foods we start to eat so much more healthfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan, I totally agree with you about our society&#8217;s recent germ-phobia.  Children need to be exposed to a certain amount of germs for their immune systems to develop.  All these toxic chemicals we are using to create sanitary conditions are poisoning our children and destroying the very mechanisms they need to fight off infection in the first place.</p>
<p>Also, I love how when we give up packaged, processed foods we start to eat so much more healthfully.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use various sizes of light cotton (gauzy cotton fabric) drawstring bags that I sewed myself and bought at our local co-op. Good for a couple of reuses with dry bulk goods and easily washable in the machine whenever necessary. Incredibly convenient--easier than bringing jars or other containers. Keep jars at home and empty cotton bags full of bulk whatever--soy beans, rice, lentils, quinoa--into them as soon as I get back from shopping. No plastic contains my food in the whole process, it feels good, it looks good (unbleached cotton bags full with beans or rice look cool, like grains and legumes in little burlap sacks) and i have nothing to throw away. Ever. Since I started not buying any food that&#039;s in packaging and started buying only bulk and fresh food using reusable bags and containers, I&#039;ve been learning to cook, am getting better and faster, slowly, and am enjoying the hell out of life lately.

Regarding sanitary issues, not too concerned. Sometimes I dig at the back of the bin if it seems especially well used, but I don&#039;t buy into the market-fueled hysteria for hyper-sterilized conditions that appears especially disproportionate to the risks in this country. I wash my hands regularly and keep all my cooking and eating utensils and living conditions washed and clean, but I don&#039;t think Purell is a necessary accoutrement to bulk bin buying. Many don&#039;t realize that hyper-sanitary living can actually undermine the immune system which tends to weaken without occasional stimulation. There&#039;s also a line of thought that a little bit of dirt in one&#039;s food provides probiotic (healthy for beneficial gut bacteria) and mineral benefits most people who eat processed food don&#039;t get anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use various sizes of light cotton (gauzy cotton fabric) drawstring bags that I sewed myself and bought at our local co-op. Good for a couple of reuses with dry bulk goods and easily washable in the machine whenever necessary. Incredibly convenient&#8211;easier than bringing jars or other containers. Keep jars at home and empty cotton bags full of bulk whatever&#8211;soy beans, rice, lentils, quinoa&#8211;into them as soon as I get back from shopping. No plastic contains my food in the whole process, it feels good, it looks good (unbleached cotton bags full with beans or rice look cool, like grains and legumes in little burlap sacks) and i have nothing to throw away. Ever. Since I started not buying any food that&#8217;s in packaging and started buying only bulk and fresh food using reusable bags and containers, I&#8217;ve been learning to cook, am getting better and faster, slowly, and am enjoying the hell out of life lately.</p>
<p>Regarding sanitary issues, not too concerned. Sometimes I dig at the back of the bin if it seems especially well used, but I don&#8217;t buy into the market-fueled hysteria for hyper-sterilized conditions that appears especially disproportionate to the risks in this country. I wash my hands regularly and keep all my cooking and eating utensils and living conditions washed and clean, but I don&#8217;t think Purell is a necessary accoutrement to bulk bin buying. Many don&#8217;t realize that hyper-sanitary living can actually undermine the immune system which tends to weaken without occasional stimulation. There&#8217;s also a line of thought that a little bit of dirt in one&#8217;s food provides probiotic (healthy for beneficial gut bacteria) and mineral benefits most people who eat processed food don&#8217;t get anymore.</p>
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