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		<title>By: BethTerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>BethTerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, it&#039;s true that some bulk products are shipped to the store in plastic packaging.  I address these issues in my book, in fact.  In general, the benefit of bulk is that one large plastic bag or container uses much less plastic than several smaller ones.  But you&#039;re comparing plastic to glass, which changes the equation.  From a health perspective, I would choose the glass over the plastic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s true that some bulk products are shipped to the store in plastic packaging.  I address these issues in my book, in fact.  In general, the benefit of bulk is that one large plastic bag or container uses much less plastic than several smaller ones.  But you&#8217;re comparing plastic to glass, which changes the equation.  From a health perspective, I would choose the glass over the plastic.</p>
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		<title>By: SC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about the plastic containers that the stores are getting the bulk items in? When I was at rainbow to get a refill of apple cider vinegar I noticed the large plastic jug it came in and wondered if it wasn&#039;t better for my health and the environment to get a smaller glass jar with a plastic cap instead. If I add those jars up the caps equal much less plastic unless the store is shipping back the plastic jugs for refills. Which seems like an expense most businesses would be unlikely to take on. Also dry goods may well be arriving in plastic bags.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the plastic containers that the stores are getting the bulk items in? When I was at rainbow to get a refill of apple cider vinegar I noticed the large plastic jug it came in and wondered if it wasn&#8217;t better for my health and the environment to get a smaller glass jar with a plastic cap instead. If I add those jars up the caps equal much less plastic unless the store is shipping back the plastic jugs for refills. Which seems like an expense most businesses would be unlikely to take on. Also dry goods may well be arriving in plastic bags.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 08:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Amanda.  It depends on the store.  For example, out here, Whole Foods has you take your containers to the customer service desk to have them weighed before you fill them up.  Then, the cashier deducts the weight of the container at the checkout.  But other stores let you weigh your own containers and they will deduct the weight. The best thing to do is to ask a store employee when you first arrive, and they will let you know how they handle &quot;tare weights&quot; at that store.  I have a whole section on bulk bins and how they work in my upcoming book.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amanda.  It depends on the store.  For example, out here, Whole Foods has you take your containers to the customer service desk to have them weighed before you fill them up.  Then, the cashier deducts the weight of the container at the checkout.  But other stores let you weigh your own containers and they will deduct the weight. The best thing to do is to ask a store employee when you first arrive, and they will let you know how they handle &#8220;tare weights&#8221; at that store.  I have a whole section on bulk bins and how they work in my upcoming book.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 05:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beth, I know this post is really old, but I hope you read my comment... I have a question. If you bring your own jar to the bulk section and fill it, how do they weigh the product for purchase? I would love to take things like my spice jars in and refill them, but I am unsure how this would work. I wish they had more bulk food stores where I live (in Idaho). A couple of stores have them (two that I know of), and although one has good prices, the other one&#039;s prices are crazy high and way more than their prepackaged counterpart. 

Amanda]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth, I know this post is really old, but I hope you read my comment&#8230; I have a question. If you bring your own jar to the bulk section and fill it, how do they weigh the product for purchase? I would love to take things like my spice jars in and refill them, but I am unsure how this would work. I wish they had more bulk food stores where I live (in Idaho). A couple of stores have them (two that I know of), and although one has good prices, the other one&#8217;s prices are crazy high and way more than their prepackaged counterpart. </p>
<p>Amanda</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel that there must be a way to reduce the risk of cross-contamination in bulk food stores and introducing standards for storage (which hopefully does not involve plastic) . If they can do it for plastic packaging when they&#039;re packaging different things in large factories(food must come in bulk in the first place from somewhere, unless there were some plastic-bearing grain or plants that I&#039;m not aware of), they must be able to do it in grocery stores. (Then again, most things are cross-contaminated with allergens even in plastic packaging--Most foods have labels that indicate that they may not be safe for peanut/wheat allergies, and very few say that they are.) As for bad behavior around the bulk bins... I feel that people can learn. We have to have faith in the human capacity to learn. Instead of saying, &quot;oh, no way,&quot; it&#039;s more productive to think instead, &quot;how can we make this better?&quot; Waste is not an issue only for bulk bin stores, all grocery stores have this problem. They have to plan ahead and figure out how much food they actually need to stock, how long they can stock them, what are the conditions required for storing them safely, and what the demands are, the same goes for restaurants, and every ounce counts. We&#039;re not groping in the dark here. We have ALL this accumulated knowledge and science to help us make this happen. 

People in America seem to feel okay with open bulk vegetable and fruit sections, even though everybody is touching them, and you don&#039;t heat them up to eat them. (People touch peaches to see how hard and firm they are so that they can pick the ones with the desired ripeness.) Do people demand that grocery stores package every single vegetable in plastic? (Oh, I shudder at the thought of individually wrapped bananas, and peaches and cherries.) No, because they see other people doing it, and it&#039;s the norm. And norms can change, it just depends on how you view it. 

In Taiwan, housewives prefer open markets not only for fruit and vegetables but for dried noodles, meats, and prepared foods because the quality is better and you get cheaper for more, and they&#039;re always full of people. It&#039;s not perfect and it can benefit from more standardization (like making the floor less gross, for example)  but as it is, it&#039;s not the sanitary nightmare that people in America imagine it would be, and we do just fine. You are welcome to bring your containers, the person weighs them for you, and he or she often adds everything in the head, cross-check the amount with the customer, and the customer pays, while the other customers are free to shop around and leave their filled counters at the counter until they&#039;re ready to pay. If you think America&#039;s supermarkets are busy, Taiwan&#039;s population density is way higher, and service clerks service a lot more people in a day.

Contamination (like that pig-disease scare I forgot the name of) mostly comes from upstream, when the farms mess it up with their practice of crowding too many livestocks(we have so little space in Taiwan, and landfills are overflowing, why can&#039;t we try to free up the landfills?), and(!) in food packaging(finding bugs in the plastic), oh yea, and let&#039;s not forget DEHP, the plasticizer that nobody knew was being added to sports drinks and fruit drinks because of the secrecy surrounding the food industry. And why were they adding them? because it was a magically cheaper alternative to another drink additive that the industry add to their packaged drinks so that fruit juices don&#039;t have natural condensation at the bottom. 

If you DON&#039;T KNOW what to test for then you won&#039;t find it, for each new compound you have to develop a new indicator that is reliable and shows up most of the time and can be separated from other chemicals.  In our case, it took us 20 years before some sharp-eyed inspector realized there were abnormal wavelengths corresponding to the DEHP in the drinks. Usually they just run a test of known chemicals, so nobody ever found out that some OTHER thing was in there. Just imagine the amount of waste that came from taking all this food off the shelves and incinerating them. Some of the foods were innocent in the sense that it was not the manufacturers who deliberately put DEHP in them, but they had unacceptable levels of DEHP due to packaging. 

Oh, yea, and it&#039;s great that because of these food additives, people think fruit juices &quot;naturally&quot; come with neon red coloring and have no condensation of fruit pulps on the bottom and have to be taught to separate something that is really natural from something that has DEHP in it. 

I&#039;m all for local bulk food stores. I wish they were more widely available in the US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that there must be a way to reduce the risk of cross-contamination in bulk food stores and introducing standards for storage (which hopefully does not involve plastic) . If they can do it for plastic packaging when they&#8217;re packaging different things in large factories(food must come in bulk in the first place from somewhere, unless there were some plastic-bearing grain or plants that I&#8217;m not aware of), they must be able to do it in grocery stores. (Then again, most things are cross-contaminated with allergens even in plastic packaging&#8211;Most foods have labels that indicate that they may not be safe for peanut/wheat allergies, and very few say that they are.) As for bad behavior around the bulk bins&#8230; I feel that people can learn. We have to have faith in the human capacity to learn. Instead of saying, &#8220;oh, no way,&#8221; it&#8217;s more productive to think instead, &#8220;how can we make this better?&#8221; Waste is not an issue only for bulk bin stores, all grocery stores have this problem. They have to plan ahead and figure out how much food they actually need to stock, how long they can stock them, what are the conditions required for storing them safely, and what the demands are, the same goes for restaurants, and every ounce counts. We&#8217;re not groping in the dark here. We have ALL this accumulated knowledge and science to help us make this happen. </p>
<p>People in America seem to feel okay with open bulk vegetable and fruit sections, even though everybody is touching them, and you don&#8217;t heat them up to eat them. (People touch peaches to see how hard and firm they are so that they can pick the ones with the desired ripeness.) Do people demand that grocery stores package every single vegetable in plastic? (Oh, I shudder at the thought of individually wrapped bananas, and peaches and cherries.) No, because they see other people doing it, and it&#8217;s the norm. And norms can change, it just depends on how you view it. </p>
<p>In Taiwan, housewives prefer open markets not only for fruit and vegetables but for dried noodles, meats, and prepared foods because the quality is better and you get cheaper for more, and they&#8217;re always full of people. It&#8217;s not perfect and it can benefit from more standardization (like making the floor less gross, for example)  but as it is, it&#8217;s not the sanitary nightmare that people in America imagine it would be, and we do just fine. You are welcome to bring your containers, the person weighs them for you, and he or she often adds everything in the head, cross-check the amount with the customer, and the customer pays, while the other customers are free to shop around and leave their filled counters at the counter until they&#8217;re ready to pay. If you think America&#8217;s supermarkets are busy, Taiwan&#8217;s population density is way higher, and service clerks service a lot more people in a day.</p>
<p>Contamination (like that pig-disease scare I forgot the name of) mostly comes from upstream, when the farms mess it up with their practice of crowding too many livestocks(we have so little space in Taiwan, and landfills are overflowing, why can&#8217;t we try to free up the landfills?), and(!) in food packaging(finding bugs in the plastic), oh yea, and let&#8217;s not forget DEHP, the plasticizer that nobody knew was being added to sports drinks and fruit drinks because of the secrecy surrounding the food industry. And why were they adding them? because it was a magically cheaper alternative to another drink additive that the industry add to their packaged drinks so that fruit juices don&#8217;t have natural condensation at the bottom. </p>
<p>If you DON&#8217;T KNOW what to test for then you won&#8217;t find it, for each new compound you have to develop a new indicator that is reliable and shows up most of the time and can be separated from other chemicals.  In our case, it took us 20 years before some sharp-eyed inspector realized there were abnormal wavelengths corresponding to the DEHP in the drinks. Usually they just run a test of known chemicals, so nobody ever found out that some OTHER thing was in there. Just imagine the amount of waste that came from taking all this food off the shelves and incinerating them. Some of the foods were innocent in the sense that it was not the manufacturers who deliberately put DEHP in them, but they had unacceptable levels of DEHP due to packaging. </p>
<p>Oh, yea, and it&#8217;s great that because of these food additives, people think fruit juices &#8220;naturally&#8221; come with neon red coloring and have no condensation of fruit pulps on the bottom and have to be taught to separate something that is really natural from something that has DEHP in it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for local bulk food stores. I wish they were more widely available in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and most of my grocery items are bought from the bulk isle, I always buy from there if I can.  On my once a month trip I usually come out with only one (cloth) grocery bag full, it&#039;s mostly quinoa, pasta, nuts, some spices, etc.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and most of my grocery items are bought from the bulk isle, I always buy from there if I can.  On my once a month trip I usually come out with only one (cloth) grocery bag full, it&#8217;s mostly quinoa, pasta, nuts, some spices, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I might have a bulk store &quot;near by&quot; but it&#039;s long drive for me (compared to the short walk I usually take...) and it&#039;s not in an area I ever go to on even a semi-regular basis.  I&#039;ve never been to this store so I&#039;m not actually sure what it&#039;s like and if it&#039;s a bulk store like I&#039;m looking for.  I would LOVE if I had a bulk store close to me, and I would love it even more if I could take my own containers without having to pay for the weight!

Currently I shop at the vegetable store (farmers market in the summer) once a week, and the grocery store once a month or less.  I always bring my own bags, I have mesh bags, nylon bags, and cotton bags depending on what I need them for.  I used to just toss all my produce on the counter but it was so awkward, especially at the vegetable store, so now I use various bags.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might have a bulk store &#8220;near by&#8221; but it&#8217;s long drive for me (compared to the short walk I usually take&#8230;) and it&#8217;s not in an area I ever go to on even a semi-regular basis.  I&#8217;ve never been to this store so I&#8217;m not actually sure what it&#8217;s like and if it&#8217;s a bulk store like I&#8217;m looking for.  I would LOVE if I had a bulk store close to me, and I would love it even more if I could take my own containers without having to pay for the weight!</p>
<p>Currently I shop at the vegetable store (farmers market in the summer) once a week, and the grocery store once a month or less.  I always bring my own bags, I have mesh bags, nylon bags, and cotton bags depending on what I need them for.  I used to just toss all my produce on the counter but it was so awkward, especially at the vegetable store, so now I use various bags.</p>
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		<title>By: Eco-Vegan Gal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eco-Vegan Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bulk section is my second favorite part of a market (1st is produce). I wish more stores have bulk options. Rainbow Grocery takes the cake as most impressive bulk selection - I wish all stores were like that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bulk section is my second favorite part of a market (1st is produce). I wish more stores have bulk options. Rainbow Grocery takes the cake as most impressive bulk selection &#8211; I wish all stores were like that!</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was delighted yesterday to find all the bulk bins at the Sprouts store and plan to start buying there.  I&#039;m very new to the program but VERY excited about it.  A friend gave me a copy of Sunset magazine which had an article about Bea Johnson who has a blog called The Zero Waste Home.  I&#039;ve been obsessed with plans to live a greener lifestyle ever since and subsequently found your website too.  You are an inspiration!  I live with my husband and his dad and that may hold me up a little but buying most staples in bulk is one thing I&#039;m sure I can do.  Sprouts stores are springing up all over Colorado and there are two about ten miles from me.  I live in a rural area so everything is a distance; I&#039;m used to driving.  I didn&#039;t see bulk pasta there but maybe Whole Foods has it.  I have a few after holiday sewing chores to finish up but then I&#039;m off to buy muslin for making re-useable bags for the bulk flour :-)  Happy to be on board!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was delighted yesterday to find all the bulk bins at the Sprouts store and plan to start buying there.  I&#8217;m very new to the program but VERY excited about it.  A friend gave me a copy of Sunset magazine which had an article about Bea Johnson who has a blog called The Zero Waste Home.  I&#8217;ve been obsessed with plans to live a greener lifestyle ever since and subsequently found your website too.  You are an inspiration!  I live with my husband and his dad and that may hold me up a little but buying most staples in bulk is one thing I&#8217;m sure I can do.  Sprouts stores are springing up all over Colorado and there are two about ten miles from me.  I live in a rural area so everything is a distance; I&#8217;m used to driving.  I didn&#8217;t see bulk pasta there but maybe Whole Foods has it.  I have a few after holiday sewing chores to finish up but then I&#8217;m off to buy muslin for making re-useable bags for the bulk flour :-)  Happy to be on board!</p>
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		<title>By: SGiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>SGiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If your environmentally conscious, and are searching for a larger-scale bulk container, you should look into RPP Containers.  They buy your used bulk containers and container scrap, grind them down and make new, enviromentally friendly containers.  Their product is called DuraGreen.  I can really appreciate what they are trying to do here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your environmentally conscious, and are searching for a larger-scale bulk container, you should look into RPP Containers.  They buy your used bulk containers and container scrap, grind them down and make new, enviromentally friendly containers.  Their product is called DuraGreen.  I can really appreciate what they are trying to do here!</p>
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