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	<title>Comments on: Male Chicks Macerated for Our Eggs &#8212; But We CAN Take Action!</title>
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		<title>By: Hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I&#039;m not a vegan/vegetarian, yell at me if you want. I live near countless FAMILY farms that raise and slaughter their own animals, but those animals are treated so kindly and with respect because the farmers who raise them understand their value. I&#039;m not against eating animals or what comes from them, so long as they are treated with respect and live in the best possible conditions before and are killed in the most humane way possible.
What I am against is this: The killing of animals simply for profit/sport/no apparent reason. If you aren&#039;t going to treat an animal humanely and with respect don&#039;t freaking own an animal. Plain and simple. Factory farms and hatcheries like this make me sick. Baby chicks should NOT be ground up alive or treated like that, and this is coming from someone who isn&#039;t a fan of chickens in general. I don&#039;t know why, but for whatever reason I just don&#039;t like chickens. But  that doesn&#039;t mean I want to throw a ton of baby chicks into a wood chipper. No, humans need to learn that just because we are slightly more intellectually advanced than some other species, we still need to learn that every life has value. Humans need to wake up, we&#039;re not all we&#039;re cracked up to be. Think about it:
Humans can&#039;t lift 20X&#039;s their own weight, but a tiny ant can.
Humans can&#039;t run over 70mph, a cheetah can.
Humans can&#039;t fly, crows and bats can.
Humans couldn&#039;t survive if we were thrown into the woods alone, a housecat can.
And humans can&#039;t love someone like a pet can, or love each other like animals do. Watch any video, in fact, here&#039;s a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nkadPBEKFk&amp;feature=related

Sometimes I wonder why I belong to such a cruel species. At least nature has a reason. But I remember, it&#039;s so I can help all the little animals, one by one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not a vegan/vegetarian, yell at me if you want. I live near countless FAMILY farms that raise and slaughter their own animals, but those animals are treated so kindly and with respect because the farmers who raise them understand their value. I&#8217;m not against eating animals or what comes from them, so long as they are treated with respect and live in the best possible conditions before and are killed in the most humane way possible.<br />
What I am against is this: The killing of animals simply for profit/sport/no apparent reason. If you aren&#8217;t going to treat an animal humanely and with respect don&#8217;t freaking own an animal. Plain and simple. Factory farms and hatcheries like this make me sick. Baby chicks should NOT be ground up alive or treated like that, and this is coming from someone who isn&#8217;t a fan of chickens in general. I don&#8217;t know why, but for whatever reason I just don&#8217;t like chickens. But  that doesn&#8217;t mean I want to throw a ton of baby chicks into a wood chipper. No, humans need to learn that just because we are slightly more intellectually advanced than some other species, we still need to learn that every life has value. Humans need to wake up, we&#8217;re not all we&#8217;re cracked up to be. Think about it:<br />
Humans can&#8217;t lift 20X&#8217;s their own weight, but a tiny ant can.<br />
Humans can&#8217;t run over 70mph, a cheetah can.<br />
Humans can&#8217;t fly, crows and bats can.<br />
Humans couldn&#8217;t survive if we were thrown into the woods alone, a housecat can.<br />
And humans can&#8217;t love someone like a pet can, or love each other like animals do. Watch any video, in fact, here&#8217;s a link:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nkadPBEKFk&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nkadPBEKFk&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder why I belong to such a cruel species. At least nature has a reason. But I remember, it&#8217;s so I can help all the little animals, one by one.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 19:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amy, what a coincidence that you should mention down because I just posted about it on the My Plastic-Free Life Facebook page and put up a video of live plucking.  It&#039;s just horrendous.  Cruelty like that makes me sad for the state of humanity.

http://www.facebook.com/MyPlasticfreeLife/posts/202397319801068]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, what a coincidence that you should mention down because I just posted about it on the My Plastic-Free Life Facebook page and put up a video of live plucking.  It&#8217;s just horrendous.  Cruelty like that makes me sad for the state of humanity.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/MyPlasticfreeLife/posts/202397319801068" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/MyPlasticfreeLife/posts/202397319801068</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used to work at a bio-secure hatchery sexing ducklings. This was the hatchery that hatched the breeders for the food chain ducks. Every other week the company geneticist came in to do the &#039;special&#039; ducks which, I&#039;m assuming were genetically toyed with in some way. Anyway, any duckling that had black feathers was &#039;culled&#039; or &#039;humanely destroyed&#039; . YEAH RIGHT!  They were put in a grinder. What&#039;s crazy is these are Peking ducks which molt and the new adult feathers are white naturally when they become adults. I asked why they had to be killed and was told b/c they sell the down to companies that sell/produce feather pillows and comforters and they don&#039;t want the black feathers in their products b/c it doesn&#039;t look as nice. So, basically these poor babies are destroyed over a pillow or blanket. What this really goes to show, is that no matter how &#039;green&#039; we think we are , there is always something we never thought of that&#039;s damaging to nature or inhumane in some way . I will never buy a down pillow or comforter again b/c of this. 
As far as eggs, I  would purchase mine from a local farm and now that we are moving to the country, we will be raising our own chickens to be treated humanely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work at a bio-secure hatchery sexing ducklings. This was the hatchery that hatched the breeders for the food chain ducks. Every other week the company geneticist came in to do the &#8216;special&#8217; ducks which, I&#8217;m assuming were genetically toyed with in some way. Anyway, any duckling that had black feathers was &#8216;culled&#8217; or &#8216;humanely destroyed&#8217; . YEAH RIGHT!  They were put in a grinder. What&#8217;s crazy is these are Peking ducks which molt and the new adult feathers are white naturally when they become adults. I asked why they had to be killed and was told b/c they sell the down to companies that sell/produce feather pillows and comforters and they don&#8217;t want the black feathers in their products b/c it doesn&#8217;t look as nice. So, basically these poor babies are destroyed over a pillow or blanket. What this really goes to show, is that no matter how &#8216;green&#8217; we think we are , there is always something we never thought of that&#8217;s damaging to nature or inhumane in some way . I will never buy a down pillow or comforter again b/c of this.<br />
As far as eggs, I  would purchase mine from a local farm and now that we are moving to the country, we will be raising our own chickens to be treated humanely.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You provided the wrong address.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I found two possibilities:&lt;br /&gt;Tom Vilsack&lt;br /&gt;Secretary of Agriculture&lt;br /&gt;U.S. Department of Agriculture&lt;br /&gt;1400 Independence Avenue S.W.&lt;br /&gt;Washington, DC 20250&lt;br /&gt;OR&lt;br /&gt;The Honorable Tom Vilsack&lt;br /&gt;Secretary&lt;br /&gt;U.S. Department of Agriculture&lt;br /&gt;Room 200-A, Jamie L. Whitten Building&lt;br /&gt;12th Street and Jefferson Drive, SW&lt;br /&gt;Washington, DC 20250&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The latter is from Senator Dick Durbin&#039;s website so I think the building name is probably correct.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Richard]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello:</p>
<p>You provided the wrong address.</p>
<p>I found two possibilities:<br />Tom Vilsack<br />Secretary of Agriculture<br />U.S. Department of Agriculture<br />1400 Independence Avenue S.W.<br />Washington, DC 20250<br />OR<br />The Honorable Tom Vilsack<br />Secretary<br />U.S. Department of Agriculture<br />Room 200-A, Jamie L. Whitten Building<br />12th Street and Jefferson Drive, SW<br />Washington, DC 20250</p>
<p>The latter is from Senator Dick Durbin&#39;s website so I think the building name is probably correct.</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Woman with a Hatchet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woman with a Hatchet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hillary, we&#039;ve been genetically selecting poultry for hundreds and hundreds of years - it&#039;s just gotten faster in the last 40 years. The chickens that produce the vast majority of eggs we eat are Leghorns. The generally make about an egg a day and are considered heavy layers. Many other heritage breeds, while cuter and with better personalities, produce an egg every 3rd day or so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think GM veggies are wrong and rather scary because of the law of unintended consequences. Pollen can be carried on the wind and by insects and birds to contaminate other fields miles and miles away. Genetically selected poultry? Not so much. Given my druthers, I&#039;d have my own flock of heritage chickens, but my city won&#039;t allow it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there was some way to keep the male chicks from hatching, it would be a massive boon to the industry, a vast cost savings and that would be the end of the macerations. Is it the MORAL thing to do? Well, if ALL consumers really cared about the morality of it, we&#039;d insist on returning to the original agrarian mode (farms carefully raising a mixture of animals and food and rotating crops, etc.). However, just like the vegetarian/vegan question above, that&#039;s not likely to happen. Or at least unlikely unless something catastrophic happens.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the meantime, send letters. Choose the more expensive, humanely raised chickens and eggs and keep insisting on better treatment for farm animals and support the farmers doing it right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary, we&#39;ve been genetically selecting poultry for hundreds and hundreds of years &#8211; it&#39;s just gotten faster in the last 40 years. The chickens that produce the vast majority of eggs we eat are Leghorns. The generally make about an egg a day and are considered heavy layers. Many other heritage breeds, while cuter and with better personalities, produce an egg every 3rd day or so.</p>
<p>I think GM veggies are wrong and rather scary because of the law of unintended consequences. Pollen can be carried on the wind and by insects and birds to contaminate other fields miles and miles away. Genetically selected poultry? Not so much. Given my druthers, I&#39;d have my own flock of heritage chickens, but my city won&#39;t allow it.</p>
<p>If there was some way to keep the male chicks from hatching, it would be a massive boon to the industry, a vast cost savings and that would be the end of the macerations. Is it the MORAL thing to do? Well, if ALL consumers really cared about the morality of it, we&#39;d insist on returning to the original agrarian mode (farms carefully raising a mixture of animals and food and rotating crops, etc.). However, just like the vegetarian/vegan question above, that&#39;s not likely to happen. Or at least unlikely unless something catastrophic happens.</p>
<p>In the meantime, send letters. Choose the more expensive, humanely raised chickens and eggs and keep insisting on better treatment for farm animals and support the farmers doing it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Fake Plastic Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fake Plastic Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hillary, I know.  It&#039;s weird.  But consider the alternative.  They&#039;re already doing it after the fact, killing live male chicks that can feel pain.  As long as Americans demand cheap eggs in such large quantities, hatcheries will continue this inhumane practice.  At least destroying embryos is less destructive, wasteful, and cruel than destroying live chicks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary, I know.  It&#39;s weird.  But consider the alternative.  They&#39;re already doing it after the fact, killing live male chicks that can feel pain.  As long as Americans demand cheap eggs in such large quantities, hatcheries will continue this inhumane practice.  At least destroying embryos is less destructive, wasteful, and cruel than destroying live chicks.</p>
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		<title>By: hillary</title>
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		<dc:creator>hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Beth - I don&#039;t have much to add to this conversation except that I&#039;m a little troubled by the implications of sex selection for embryos or sperm - it seems a less than ideal solution. Is it really our place to be engineering a species to produce more females than males, any more than engineering corn or tomatoes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Beth &#8211; I don&#39;t have much to add to this conversation except that I&#39;m a little troubled by the implications of sex selection for embryos or sperm &#8211; it seems a less than ideal solution. Is it really our place to be engineering a species to produce more females than males, any more than engineering corn or tomatoes?</p>
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		<title>By: Fake Plastic Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fake Plastic Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cousin Yellowstone, thanks for your reasoned and reasonable comments.  I am sure my response to Anonymous was based on an emotional reaction.  I felt like I was being accused of not caring about farm animals, when I fact I just written a post demonstrating that I do care about farm animals.  I objected to the hostile tone of the comment, I guess.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yes, I am sure that there are plenty of things I don&#039;t understand about farmed animals.  I always want to learn more.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing you said which I agree with whole-heartedly:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;However, treating farmed animals as well as Arya and Soots results in animal products that can be afforded only as a special treat.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes.  Which is why I wrote in my comment, &quot;I do believe that animals raised for food should be treated with respect and that animal products should be eaten in moderation, as some (like beef) take a heavy toll on the environment.&quot;  We don&#039;t need to eat meat every day, as some believe, and certainly we don&#039;t need to eat animal goods at every meal, as many people believe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you think that if we all cut back significantly on the amount of meat, dairy, and eggs we consume, there would be less need for inhumane farm practices?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regarding plastic, as you know, I still use some plastic.  My electronics are plastic.  But I cut back significantly on the amount I buy.  I ask myself constantly, &quot;Do I really need this?&quot;  I don&#039;t upgrade every time the latest and greatest computer or phone is released.  That&#039;s kind of the same.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When plastic-free options are available, I advocate them.  When they are not available, I want us to ask ourselves if we really need the products or if we can ask for plastic-free alternatives.  As with meat products, the real issue is overconsumption.  Would you agree with that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cousin Yellowstone, thanks for your reasoned and reasonable comments.  I am sure my response to Anonymous was based on an emotional reaction.  I felt like I was being accused of not caring about farm animals, when I fact I just written a post demonstrating that I do care about farm animals.  I objected to the hostile tone of the comment, I guess.</p>
<p>And yes, I am sure that there are plenty of things I don&#39;t understand about farmed animals.  I always want to learn more.  </p>
<p>One thing you said which I agree with whole-heartedly:</p>
<p>&quot;However, treating farmed animals as well as Arya and Soots results in animal products that can be afforded only as a special treat.&quot;</p>
<p>Yes.  Which is why I wrote in my comment, &quot;I do believe that animals raised for food should be treated with respect and that animal products should be eaten in moderation, as some (like beef) take a heavy toll on the environment.&quot;  We don&#39;t need to eat meat every day, as some believe, and certainly we don&#39;t need to eat animal goods at every meal, as many people believe.</p>
<p>Do you think that if we all cut back significantly on the amount of meat, dairy, and eggs we consume, there would be less need for inhumane farm practices?</p>
<p>Regarding plastic, as you know, I still use some plastic.  My electronics are plastic.  But I cut back significantly on the amount I buy.  I ask myself constantly, &quot;Do I really need this?&quot;  I don&#39;t upgrade every time the latest and greatest computer or phone is released.  That&#39;s kind of the same.  </p>
<p>When plastic-free options are available, I advocate them.  When they are not available, I want us to ask ourselves if we really need the products or if we can ask for plastic-free alternatives.  As with meat products, the real issue is overconsumption.  Would you agree with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Cousin Yellowstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cousin Yellowstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 04:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous and Beth, do you mind if I jump into your conversation? I wouldn&#039;t normally do this, but I feel like there may be some miscommunication going on between the two of you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, let me address Anonymous. Anonymous, I can completely understand your feelings about Beth not being a vegetarian. It&#039;s jarring when someone we see as a kindred spirit on one issue (in this case, plastic) turns out not to be on the same page as us on another issue. Beth has experienced the same thing herself, e.g., when &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fakeplasticfish.com/2008/09/sitting-with-plastic-water-bottle.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;her meditation teacher was drinking from a plastic bottle.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anonymous, Beth&#039;s reaction to learning about maceration is proof that she does care about animals and will act upon information she learns. I would suggest that if you want to encourage her to change her diet, you inform her about other aspects of &quot;humane&quot; agriculture that she might not be aware of. Perhaps she will become a vegetarian, and perhaps not, but either way, she&#039;ll be better able to understand why you see animal agriculture as being as bad as what happened to that poor pelican.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, let me turn to Beth. Beth, you have made a thorough study of the issues involved with plastic, and have reached the conclusion that there is no &quot;good&quot; plastic. You recognize that some plastics are recognized as safer than others, and that some uses of plastic have more justification than others, but you seldom suggest to your readers that they switch from one type of plastic to another. Instead, you urge us to avoid all plastic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are people who have studied &quot;humane&quot; farming as thoroughly as you have studied plastic, and concluded that there&#039;s no such thing as humanely produced commercial eggs. Obviously, some farming methods are worse than others, and if a person is going to eat eggs, it&#039;s better that they come from a less-cruel farm than a factory farm. However, just as you don&#039;t advocate that your readers drink water from Deer Park&#039;s Eco-Shape bottles (which are supposedly better for the environment than regular Deer Park bottles), people like Anonymous feel they can&#039;t in good conscience support &quot;humane&quot; farms.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beth, I think Anonymous is assuming you know things about &quot;humane&quot; farming that you may not actually know. These things are known mostly to rural people and vegans, and have not received much mainstream exposure. Among vegans, one thing often discussed is debeaking, which causes lasting pain yet is inflicted upon many cage-free chickens. Another thing vegans are often aware of is the extreme lack of space given to many &quot;free range&quot; and &quot;cage-free&quot; chickens. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.upc-online.org/freerange.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.upc-online.org/freerange.html&lt;/a&gt; for details of these practices (including illustrative photographs). Another issue is the breeding that has resulted in small chickens producing large eggs, with negative consequences for the chickens. I think Anonymous was comparing the suffering of the pelican to the daily suffering of virtually all farmed chickens, even those on &quot;humane&quot; farms.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In principle, I&#039;m not opposed to animal agriculture. If farmed animals can be treated as well as Arya and Soots, then I&#039;m all for it. However, treating farmed animals as well as Arya and Soots results in animal products that can be afforded only as a special treat. Personally, I find it easier to eat vegan meals than buy eggs that are produced in a truly humane manner.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beth, you write that, &quot;The fact is that the majority of people are not going to switch to veganism.&quot; I fear that you&#039;re correct about that, just as I fear that the majority of people are not going to stop buying plastic. Whether we should focus our advocacy efforts on getting people to switch to &quot;safer&quot; plastics and &quot;humane&quot; eggs or instead advocate for plastic-free, vegan living is an issue well worth discussing. My own belief is that although few people will be convinced to give up plastic or animal products altogether, we CAN get people to cut down on both, and that&#039;s where I focus my efforts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous and Beth, do you mind if I jump into your conversation? I wouldn&#39;t normally do this, but I feel like there may be some miscommunication going on between the two of you.</p>
<p>First, let me address Anonymous. Anonymous, I can completely understand your feelings about Beth not being a vegetarian. It&#39;s jarring when someone we see as a kindred spirit on one issue (in this case, plastic) turns out not to be on the same page as us on another issue. Beth has experienced the same thing herself, e.g., when <a href="http://www.fakeplasticfish.com/2008/09/sitting-with-plastic-water-bottle.html" rel="nofollow">her meditation teacher was drinking from a plastic bottle.</a></p>
<p>Anonymous, Beth&#39;s reaction to learning about maceration is proof that she does care about animals and will act upon information she learns. I would suggest that if you want to encourage her to change her diet, you inform her about other aspects of &quot;humane&quot; agriculture that she might not be aware of. Perhaps she will become a vegetarian, and perhaps not, but either way, she&#39;ll be better able to understand why you see animal agriculture as being as bad as what happened to that poor pelican.</p>
<p>Now, let me turn to Beth. Beth, you have made a thorough study of the issues involved with plastic, and have reached the conclusion that there is no &quot;good&quot; plastic. You recognize that some plastics are recognized as safer than others, and that some uses of plastic have more justification than others, but you seldom suggest to your readers that they switch from one type of plastic to another. Instead, you urge us to avoid all plastic.</p>
<p>There are people who have studied &quot;humane&quot; farming as thoroughly as you have studied plastic, and concluded that there&#39;s no such thing as humanely produced commercial eggs. Obviously, some farming methods are worse than others, and if a person is going to eat eggs, it&#39;s better that they come from a less-cruel farm than a factory farm. However, just as you don&#39;t advocate that your readers drink water from Deer Park&#39;s Eco-Shape bottles (which are supposedly better for the environment than regular Deer Park bottles), people like Anonymous feel they can&#39;t in good conscience support &quot;humane&quot; farms.</p>
<p>Beth, I think Anonymous is assuming you know things about &quot;humane&quot; farming that you may not actually know. These things are known mostly to rural people and vegans, and have not received much mainstream exposure. Among vegans, one thing often discussed is debeaking, which causes lasting pain yet is inflicted upon many cage-free chickens. Another thing vegans are often aware of is the extreme lack of space given to many &quot;free range&quot; and &quot;cage-free&quot; chickens. See <a href="http://www.upc-online.org/freerange.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.upc-online.org/freerange.html</a> for details of these practices (including illustrative photographs). Another issue is the breeding that has resulted in small chickens producing large eggs, with negative consequences for the chickens. I think Anonymous was comparing the suffering of the pelican to the daily suffering of virtually all farmed chickens, even those on &quot;humane&quot; farms.</p>
<p>In principle, I&#39;m not opposed to animal agriculture. If farmed animals can be treated as well as Arya and Soots, then I&#39;m all for it. However, treating farmed animals as well as Arya and Soots results in animal products that can be afforded only as a special treat. Personally, I find it easier to eat vegan meals than buy eggs that are produced in a truly humane manner.</p>
<p>Beth, you write that, &quot;The fact is that the majority of people are not going to switch to veganism.&quot; I fear that you&#39;re correct about that, just as I fear that the majority of people are not going to stop buying plastic. Whether we should focus our advocacy efforts on getting people to switch to &quot;safer&quot; plastics and &quot;humane&quot; eggs or instead advocate for plastic-free, vegan living is an issue well worth discussing. My own belief is that although few people will be convinced to give up plastic or animal products altogether, we CAN get people to cut down on both, and that&#39;s where I focus my efforts.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Catherine.  I have written to Animal Welfare Approved and checked out their site.  I&#039;m not sure they have a standard for hatcheries either, but I&#039;ll let you know what I find out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Keep in mind:  the issue is not how adult birds are treated.  There are standards for those, and we can buy Animal Welfare Approved or Certified Humane eggs and be assured the adult hens were well-treated.  The issue is about the hatcheries that produce the chicks that later produce the eggs.  They are not the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Catherine.  I have written to Animal Welfare Approved and checked out their site.  I&#39;m not sure they have a standard for hatcheries either, but I&#39;ll let you know what I find out.</p>
<p>Keep in mind:  the issue is not how adult birds are treated.  There are standards for those, and we can buy Animal Welfare Approved or Certified Humane eggs and be assured the adult hens were well-treated.  The issue is about the hatcheries that produce the chicks that later produce the eggs.  They are not the same thing.</p>
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