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	<title>Comments on: Jackson Browne:  Defiant About Bottled Water</title>
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	<description>Think we can&#039;t live without plastic? Think again. In 2007 I committed to stop buying any new plastic &#38; I&#039;ve almost succeeded! Won&#039;t you join me? Let&#039;s see what plastic-free looks like in 2012... for the health of our bodies, our oceans, our planet. ~Beth Terry</description>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 02:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love his idea about the airport. That is one place I do buy bottled water. Now I don&#039;t have to anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love his idea about the airport. That is one place I do buy bottled water. Now I don&#8217;t have to anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is great!!!  I hope other celebrities will step up and speak out on this issue and the issue of toxic chemicals in the environment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great!!!  I hope other celebrities will step up and speak out on this issue and the issue of toxic chemicals in the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlina</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2009/10/jackson-browne-defiant-about-bottled-water/comment-page-1/#comment-8114</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the post. I had fallen of the wagon for a bit there and actually consumed a few bottles of water, No excuse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post. I had fallen of the wagon for a bit there and actually consumed a few bottles of water, No excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Canada Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canada Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beth,

I completely agree that individual changes are necessary, they just aren&#039;t sufficient, which apparently you have come to realize as well.

I read your article on personal change (I must admit, I started glancing through it, then when I saw a reference to Derrick Jensen, I went back and started at the beginning. :)  I think the one quote that hits the point is &quot;Personal change doesn’t equal social change&quot;.   I also agree that people start with personal changes, then move from there to taking other action.  There&#039;s no contradiction there.

At the same time, some of the critics you quote are missing the point.  On the latest episode of Radio ecoshock (ecoshock.org) Canadian scientist Bill Rees talks about how much of the &quot;eco&quot; movement is missing the point.  For example, we can make &quot;green&quot; houses that are 25 percent more energy efficient.  But the average house today is 2300 sq ft or more and it was 900-1000 sq ft in 1950.  And the average occupancy used to be 3.6 people per house, now it&#039;s 2.7.  So, even with that 25 percent efficiency, we&#039;re blowing, per capita, more than twice as much as 50 years ago.

His point is that we&#039;re still growing and we&#039;re already over the carrying capacity of the planet, and we&#039;re essentially just burning ecological capital at this point.  Every day that goes by, we have more people and less of a land base.  That&#039;s obviously not sustainable.  We need actual *cuts* in emissions, not reduction in the growth rate of emissions.  That&#039;s like saying I&#039;ll only play russian roulette once a week instead of twice a week!  :)  You still end up dead.

As for Jensen, I don&#039;t care if the solution is ripping things down or officially scaling back, whichever does the job.  I read about &quot;no impact man&quot; and that&#039;s a great example to set, but even a homeless person in the US or Canada is living off our excess, which is unsustainable.  If you don&#039;t change the infrastructure, it doesn&#039;t matter what you do.

You might be interested in my article &quot;Recycling is Self Destructive&quot;:

http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/09/recycling-is-self-destructive.html

Anyway, I think I&#039;ve gone on long enough.  Yes, we need to act personally, but we also need to do what&#039;s necessary to make sure that the world as a whole reduces emissions, whatever that might mean.
.-= Canada Guy´s last blog ..Water Bottle Manifesto =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth,</p>
<p>I completely agree that individual changes are necessary, they just aren&#8217;t sufficient, which apparently you have come to realize as well.</p>
<p>I read your article on personal change (I must admit, I started glancing through it, then when I saw a reference to Derrick Jensen, I went back and started at the beginning. :)  I think the one quote that hits the point is &#8220;Personal change doesn’t equal social change&#8221;.   I also agree that people start with personal changes, then move from there to taking other action.  There&#8217;s no contradiction there.</p>
<p>At the same time, some of the critics you quote are missing the point.  On the latest episode of Radio ecoshock (ecoshock.org) Canadian scientist Bill Rees talks about how much of the &#8220;eco&#8221; movement is missing the point.  For example, we can make &#8220;green&#8221; houses that are 25 percent more energy efficient.  But the average house today is 2300 sq ft or more and it was 900-1000 sq ft in 1950.  And the average occupancy used to be 3.6 people per house, now it&#8217;s 2.7.  So, even with that 25 percent efficiency, we&#8217;re blowing, per capita, more than twice as much as 50 years ago.</p>
<p>His point is that we&#8217;re still growing and we&#8217;re already over the carrying capacity of the planet, and we&#8217;re essentially just burning ecological capital at this point.  Every day that goes by, we have more people and less of a land base.  That&#8217;s obviously not sustainable.  We need actual *cuts* in emissions, not reduction in the growth rate of emissions.  That&#8217;s like saying I&#8217;ll only play russian roulette once a week instead of twice a week!  :)  You still end up dead.</p>
<p>As for Jensen, I don&#8217;t care if the solution is ripping things down or officially scaling back, whichever does the job.  I read about &#8220;no impact man&#8221; and that&#8217;s a great example to set, but even a homeless person in the US or Canada is living off our excess, which is unsustainable.  If you don&#8217;t change the infrastructure, it doesn&#8217;t matter what you do.</p>
<p>You might be interested in my article &#8220;Recycling is Self Destructive&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/09/recycling-is-self-destructive.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/09/recycling-is-self-destructive.html</a></p>
<p>Anyway, I think I&#8217;ve gone on long enough.  Yes, we need to act personally, but we also need to do what&#8217;s necessary to make sure that the world as a whole reduces emissions, whatever that might mean.<br />
.-= Canada Guy´s last blog ..Water Bottle Manifesto =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Terry</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2009/10/jackson-browne-defiant-about-bottled-water/comment-page-1/#comment-8016</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Canada Guy -- I totally agree with you that we need a ban.  I don&#039;t think individual acts are enough.  At the same time, I think we all have to start on the individual level or we will not have the will to push for change on the governmental level.  Who votes?  Individuals.  Who contacts their representatives?  Individuals.  Individual changes give them an investment in the bigger picture. 

I actually wrote about this topic in a couple of places.  Check out these posts and let me know what you think.  Comments on those posts would be greatly appreciated:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/08/reusable-bags-stainless-steel-bottles/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/08/reusable-bags-stainless-steel-bottles/&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/09/no-impact-man-teaches-me-to-suck-eggs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/09/no-impact-man-teaches-me-to-suck-eggs/&lt;/a&gt;
.-= Beth Terry´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/10/hey-wal-mart-i-see-glaring-omissions-in-your-new-sustainability-index/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hey Wal-Mart!  I See Glaring Omissions in Your New Sustainability Index&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada Guy &#8212; I totally agree with you that we need a ban.  I don&#8217;t think individual acts are enough.  At the same time, I think we all have to start on the individual level or we will not have the will to push for change on the governmental level.  Who votes?  Individuals.  Who contacts their representatives?  Individuals.  Individual changes give them an investment in the bigger picture. </p>
<p>I actually wrote about this topic in a couple of places.  Check out these posts and let me know what you think.  Comments on those posts would be greatly appreciated:</p>
<p><a href="http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/08/reusable-bags-stainless-steel-bottles/" rel="nofollow">http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/08/reusable-bags-stainless-steel-bottles/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/09/no-impact-man-teaches-me-to-suck-eggs/" rel="nofollow">http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/09/no-impact-man-teaches-me-to-suck-eggs/</a><br />
.-= Beth Terry´s last blog ..<a href="http://fakeplasticfish.com/2009/10/hey-wal-mart-i-see-glaring-omissions-in-your-new-sustainability-index/" rel="nofollow">Hey Wal-Mart!  I See Glaring Omissions in Your New Sustainability Index</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Canada Guy</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2009/10/jackson-browne-defiant-about-bottled-water/comment-page-1/#comment-8015</link>
		<dc:creator>Canada Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, crow, did you miss my point?  Individual acts won&#039;t do it.  They will *not* lower actual emissions.  We need a ban.  Here&#039;s an argument why individual lifestyle changes will *not* solve global warming:

http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/10/voluntary-lifestyle-changes.html
.-= Canada Guy´s last blog ..Water Bottle Manifesto =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, crow, did you miss my point?  Individual acts won&#8217;t do it.  They will *not* lower actual emissions.  We need a ban.  Here&#8217;s an argument why individual lifestyle changes will *not* solve global warming:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/10/voluntary-lifestyle-changes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/10/voluntary-lifestyle-changes.html</a><br />
.-= Canada Guy´s last blog ..Water Bottle Manifesto =-.</p>
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		<title>By: crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I f we all do small acts, we can collectively have a big impact.  So lets all do our part and use reusable water bottles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I f we all do small acts, we can collectively have a big impact.  So lets all do our part and use reusable water bottles.</p>
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		<title>By: Cherie Guerrant</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2009/10/jackson-browne-defiant-about-bottled-water/comment-page-1/#comment-7965</link>
		<dc:creator>Cherie Guerrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beth - a GREAT post.  I just shared it on facebook.  Many years ago,  I worked for a bottled water company as a young adult.  Before it became &quot;cool&quot; and the norm to drink bottled water, our customers were mainly seniors who didn&#039;t like the taste of the local water.  When bottled water became in vogue and I saw everyone carrying the plastic bottles, I just shook my head in wonder.  Back then, having been in the industry, I knew the scam behind the product but very few people would listen to me.
.-= Cherie Guerrant´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://renaissancegardenblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/factory-farms-global-warming-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Factory Farms, Global Warming, and Disease&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth &#8211; a GREAT post.  I just shared it on facebook.  Many years ago,  I worked for a bottled water company as a young adult.  Before it became &#8220;cool&#8221; and the norm to drink bottled water, our customers were mainly seniors who didn&#8217;t like the taste of the local water.  When bottled water became in vogue and I saw everyone carrying the plastic bottles, I just shook my head in wonder.  Back then, having been in the industry, I knew the scam behind the product but very few people would listen to me.<br />
.-= Cherie Guerrant´s last blog ..<a href="http://renaissancegardenblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/factory-farms-global-warming-and.html" rel="nofollow">Factory Farms, Global Warming, and Disease</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Canada Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canada Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all know water bottles are wasteful and bad for the environment, yet their production is growing rapidly everywhere. Just 20 years ago the market for plastic water bottles was practically nonexistent, but today we produce billions of these completely unnecessary products. There can be only one sane response, plastic water bottles must be banned!

http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/10/water-bottle-manifesto.html
.-= Canada Guy´s last blog ..Water Bottle Manifesto =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know water bottles are wasteful and bad for the environment, yet their production is growing rapidly everywhere. Just 20 years ago the market for plastic water bottles was practically nonexistent, but today we produce billions of these completely unnecessary products. There can be only one sane response, plastic water bottles must be banned!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/10/water-bottle-manifesto.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.selfdestructivebastards.com/2009/10/water-bottle-manifesto.html</a><br />
.-= Canada Guy´s last blog ..Water Bottle Manifesto =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Royte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Royte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is so cool, Beth. Jackson makes many excellent points, but my favorite part of the interview was when he said filling your own bottle is empowering - and fun. I refill my reusable bottles in shops, cafes and restaurants, and I&#039;ve never been refused access to a spigot or sink. In fact, these tap-water exchanges are always a pleasant affair - an act of sharing that reinforces our connection to a resource upon which we&#039;re absolutely dependent and which we all hold in common. Cheers,
Elizabeth]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is so cool, Beth. Jackson makes many excellent points, but my favorite part of the interview was when he said filling your own bottle is empowering &#8211; and fun. I refill my reusable bottles in shops, cafes and restaurants, and I&#8217;ve never been refused access to a spigot or sink. In fact, these tap-water exchanges are always a pleasant affair &#8211; an act of sharing that reinforces our connection to a resource upon which we&#8217;re absolutely dependent and which we all hold in common. Cheers,<br />
Elizabeth</p>
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