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		<title>By: Leolin</title>
		<link>http://myplasticfreelife.com/2010/05/brand-new-plastic-free-vegetarian/comment-page-2/#comment-36547</link>
		<dc:creator>Leolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for writing this. I have been a vegan for 2 years and a vegetarian for 4 years and this article clearly explains my reasons for choising this dietary lifestyle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this. I have been a vegan for 2 years and a vegetarian for 4 years and this article clearly explains my reasons for choising this dietary lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Bankruptcy Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bankruptcy Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Initial I stopped eating my telling myself I&#039;d just eat &quot;less meat&quot; but it&#039;s been 4 years since I&#039;ve eaten any meat and I don&#039;t miss it. 

Some of the commenters have said that &quot;it&#039;s not the eating of meat but the treatment of the animal that matters&quot;. It sounds like a reasonable argument but If we use animals for our own ends there will be some level of cruelty involved, even if they&#039;re organic free range, etc. Is it cruel to stun them and kill them? I don&#039;t know but not eating them removes the question entirely and seems to me to be the safest way to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Initial I stopped eating my telling myself I&#8217;d just eat &#8220;less meat&#8221; but it&#8217;s been 4 years since I&#8217;ve eaten any meat and I don&#8217;t miss it. </p>
<p>Some of the commenters have said that &#8220;it&#8217;s not the eating of meat but the treatment of the animal that matters&#8221;. It sounds like a reasonable argument but If we use animals for our own ends there will be some level of cruelty involved, even if they&#8217;re organic free range, etc. Is it cruel to stun them and kill them? I don&#8217;t know but not eating them removes the question entirely and seems to me to be the safest way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: robbiekay</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbiekay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 01:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The day after I read this post I saw a t-shirt and immediately thought of you. The text on it was: &quot;Eat like you give a damn.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The day after I read this post I saw a t-shirt and immediately thought of you. The text on it was: &#8220;Eat like you give a damn.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I stopped eating all meat except fish/seafood about 3 years ago, making me a &quot;pescetarian&quot;.  I was already following a mostly vegetarian diet at the time -- I had stopped eating pig-meat and veal and had reduced my beef-intake to a small amount of steak every 4 - 6 weeks.  (I had read an article about how the U.S. tests less than 1% of it&#039;s beef for Mad Cow, etc., and the most likely candidates for possibly diseased and/or contaminated meat is sold as ground because only the &quot;healthy-looking&quot; parts are sent to the market.  I actually felt safer eating beef during my visit to the U.K.)

Anyway...I admit that I never made the ethical decision, though I understand and relate to it.  The decision to cut out meat was made for me...by my doctors.  It turns out that I have a kidney disease that is worsened/inflamed by meat proteins.  If I want to keep my kidneys, I need to keep my protein-intake and omega-6s down and my blood pressure down.  (The current diets of factory-farmed animals result in unnaturally high omega-6s -- since animal feed usually contains the remains of other animals, the bits that aren&#039;t considered good enough for human consumption, making them unwilling canibals, the omega-6s are simply recycled.)  

I probably would have cut out the fish/seafood too but the doctor actually insists that I partake of some 2 - 4 times a week to increase my omega-3s.

Whenever I consider how nutritionally bad meat is in general and how it is like a slow acting poison for me, I can&#039;t help but want to discourage others from eating it.  

It really isn&#039;t just about the ethical treatment of animals; it&#039;s about the health and wellness of a population that is killing itself by gorging on something their body needs very little of, if any.  There are plenty of protein sources; in fact, even without adding cheese or eggs to my day, I can get the daily minimum of protein just from vegetables, fruits and grains.  I just have to choose wisely, which is something we in America are not taught how to do -- even when the schools were teaching nutrition (4 basic food groups?), they were basing it on decisions made by politicians influenced by agricultural lobbists.  There is so much data out there that indicates that the current daily intake of meat is hazzardous to our health.  We aren&#039;t going to die by global warming but by unknowingly poisoning ourselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped eating all meat except fish/seafood about 3 years ago, making me a &#8220;pescetarian&#8221;.  I was already following a mostly vegetarian diet at the time &#8212; I had stopped eating pig-meat and veal and had reduced my beef-intake to a small amount of steak every 4 &#8211; 6 weeks.  (I had read an article about how the U.S. tests less than 1% of it&#8217;s beef for Mad Cow, etc., and the most likely candidates for possibly diseased and/or contaminated meat is sold as ground because only the &#8220;healthy-looking&#8221; parts are sent to the market.  I actually felt safer eating beef during my visit to the U.K.)</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;I admit that I never made the ethical decision, though I understand and relate to it.  The decision to cut out meat was made for me&#8230;by my doctors.  It turns out that I have a kidney disease that is worsened/inflamed by meat proteins.  If I want to keep my kidneys, I need to keep my protein-intake and omega-6s down and my blood pressure down.  (The current diets of factory-farmed animals result in unnaturally high omega-6s &#8212; since animal feed usually contains the remains of other animals, the bits that aren&#8217;t considered good enough for human consumption, making them unwilling canibals, the omega-6s are simply recycled.)  </p>
<p>I probably would have cut out the fish/seafood too but the doctor actually insists that I partake of some 2 &#8211; 4 times a week to increase my omega-3s.</p>
<p>Whenever I consider how nutritionally bad meat is in general and how it is like a slow acting poison for me, I can&#8217;t help but want to discourage others from eating it.  </p>
<p>It really isn&#8217;t just about the ethical treatment of animals; it&#8217;s about the health and wellness of a population that is killing itself by gorging on something their body needs very little of, if any.  There are plenty of protein sources; in fact, even without adding cheese or eggs to my day, I can get the daily minimum of protein just from vegetables, fruits and grains.  I just have to choose wisely, which is something we in America are not taught how to do &#8212; even when the schools were teaching nutrition (4 basic food groups?), they were basing it on decisions made by politicians influenced by agricultural lobbists.  There is so much data out there that indicates that the current daily intake of meat is hazzardous to our health.  We aren&#8217;t going to die by global warming but by unknowingly poisoning ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Klips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Klips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 01:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that the best option is for us, as humans, to eat invasive species (canada geese, deer, carp) and lower the surplus population instead of supporting the waste of livestock management. 

I do, however, say this as a vegetarian of over a decade who has gone so long without meat that I wouldn&#039;t eat it even if it were morally appropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the best option is for us, as humans, to eat invasive species (canada geese, deer, carp) and lower the surplus population instead of supporting the waste of livestock management. </p>
<p>I do, however, say this as a vegetarian of over a decade who has gone so long without meat that I wouldn&#8217;t eat it even if it were morally appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: GD</title>
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		<dc:creator>GD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 09:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article! Like the spectrum of families, our farmers and ranchers can be cruel or kind. We can&#039;t characterize all of them by the nasty ones.

I was vegetarian for 2 weeks, 20 years ago. I worked myself down from full omnivore diet to no red meat, to just egg sand dairy. Then, for 4 weeks, I managed only veggie. I had to expand my diet because my physical activity (work + school) made a huge demand on my energy level and I was always light-headed. Without meat, I was either cooking, eating or cleaning dishes during my time off. Hunger would ensue shortly after finishing a meal.

Also, some people have a medical need to consume large amounts of easily digestible protein. Consider old age, tissue trauma (burns, infections, surgery) and early life growth as high protein populations.

Too much of any food is going to be unhealthy. Moderation in all things. I respect the ethical decision to avoid meat. I also encourage less meat (than our American average) to have a healthy balanced diet. 

*18% of human derived greenhouse gasses are from livestock production*

Please do note this is &quot;production&quot; and not just the animals. This point gets lost in many various references. It&#039;s not the animals &quot;burping and farting&quot; that makes 18%, it&#039;s the electricity and oil used to create fertilizer, feed, medicine; and the transportation of these pre-products and the transportation and refrigeration of animals and the meat itself. The animals themselves create &lt;5% of our greenhouse gasses. 

If anyone can go veggie, I honestly praise your health and fortitude. Immoderate meat eaters will suffer clogged arteries and increased risk of cancers. If antibiotics are freely used in livestock production, then we will all suffer the &#039;wrath&#039; of resistant bacteria.

If you can maintain/regain your health on a veggie diet following major surgery/trauma, then I eagerly await your story. If you should have to revert to omnivore mode in such a situation, then I would like to hear the prayer you spoke to forgive the animal you needed to eat in order for you to survive.

Hmmm. I sound like a bit of a prick. Sorry about that. Just trying to point out what is, apparently, not so obvious about the &#039;morality&#039; of vegetarianism. If we could all &#039;self-actualize&#039; the world would be a better place (morality). We don&#039;t all self-actualize. All Life is precious. But Human life is more precious than bovine, porcine, poultry, fish. 

If it is ok to make any exemption: &quot;This cow (pig, dog, cat) is more precious than that human.&quot; then the argument that follows is valid, too: &quot;That human is more precious than this cow (pig, dog, cat).&quot;

When speaking of entire populations, however, we are using different logic.

PS: the photo of the bird skeleton pulled me onto this page. Scary, sad, frightening, unappetizing. Will we ever be able to clean up our collective mess?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article! Like the spectrum of families, our farmers and ranchers can be cruel or kind. We can&#8217;t characterize all of them by the nasty ones.</p>
<p>I was vegetarian for 2 weeks, 20 years ago. I worked myself down from full omnivore diet to no red meat, to just egg sand dairy. Then, for 4 weeks, I managed only veggie. I had to expand my diet because my physical activity (work + school) made a huge demand on my energy level and I was always light-headed. Without meat, I was either cooking, eating or cleaning dishes during my time off. Hunger would ensue shortly after finishing a meal.</p>
<p>Also, some people have a medical need to consume large amounts of easily digestible protein. Consider old age, tissue trauma (burns, infections, surgery) and early life growth as high protein populations.</p>
<p>Too much of any food is going to be unhealthy. Moderation in all things. I respect the ethical decision to avoid meat. I also encourage less meat (than our American average) to have a healthy balanced diet. </p>
<p>*18% of human derived greenhouse gasses are from livestock production*</p>
<p>Please do note this is &#8220;production&#8221; and not just the animals. This point gets lost in many various references. It&#8217;s not the animals &#8220;burping and farting&#8221; that makes 18%, it&#8217;s the electricity and oil used to create fertilizer, feed, medicine; and the transportation of these pre-products and the transportation and refrigeration of animals and the meat itself. The animals themselves create &lt;5% of our greenhouse gasses. </p>
<p>If anyone can go veggie, I honestly praise your health and fortitude. Immoderate meat eaters will suffer clogged arteries and increased risk of cancers. If antibiotics are freely used in livestock production, then we will all suffer the &#039;wrath&#039; of resistant bacteria.</p>
<p>If you can maintain/regain your health on a veggie diet following major surgery/trauma, then I eagerly await your story. If you should have to revert to omnivore mode in such a situation, then I would like to hear the prayer you spoke to forgive the animal you needed to eat in order for you to survive.</p>
<p>Hmmm. I sound like a bit of a prick. Sorry about that. Just trying to point out what is, apparently, not so obvious about the &#039;morality&#039; of vegetarianism. If we could all &#039;self-actualize&#039; the world would be a better place (morality). We don&#039;t all self-actualize. All Life is precious. But Human life is more precious than bovine, porcine, poultry, fish. </p>
<p>If it is ok to make any exemption: &quot;This cow (pig, dog, cat) is more precious than that human.&quot; then the argument that follows is valid, too: &quot;That human is more precious than this cow (pig, dog, cat).&quot;</p>
<p>When speaking of entire populations, however, we are using different logic.</p>
<p>PS: the photo of the bird skeleton pulled me onto this page. Scary, sad, frightening, unappetizing. Will we ever be able to clean up our collective mess?</p>
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		<title>By: Sudha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sudha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 19:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am 33 and have been a vegetarian all my life...i cannot relate to meat eating friends.. ihave had discussions with them but end up frustrated not because i did not force my point, but because i m unable to get more convincing. It is strange though that survival of the fittest works its way  into everything in our lives. I have always asked this question - if dogs and cats are pets and are lovable, then how come cows, sheep, goats and pigs become food? I guess we try the more humane approach when we eat plants. We have to eat to live and plants dont bleed or make heart wrenching noises when slaughtered...so we are fine eating them...No offense but, i dont if im the only one put off by ads for these animal rescue groups who show bleeding cats and dogs to garner sympathy...but arent pigs and cows which are reaching ur food plate the same too?
.-= Sudha´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sudhasrinath.blogspot.com/2010/05/aamir-khan-sanitation-champion-for.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aamir Khan - Sanitation Champion for Indian Schools&lt;/a&gt; =-.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 33 and have been a vegetarian all my life&#8230;i cannot relate to meat eating friends.. ihave had discussions with them but end up frustrated not because i did not force my point, but because i m unable to get more convincing. It is strange though that survival of the fittest works its way  into everything in our lives. I have always asked this question &#8211; if dogs and cats are pets and are lovable, then how come cows, sheep, goats and pigs become food? I guess we try the more humane approach when we eat plants. We have to eat to live and plants dont bleed or make heart wrenching noises when slaughtered&#8230;so we are fine eating them&#8230;No offense but, i dont if im the only one put off by ads for these animal rescue groups who show bleeding cats and dogs to garner sympathy&#8230;but arent pigs and cows which are reaching ur food plate the same too?<br />
.-= Sudha´s last blog ..<a href="http://sudhasrinath.blogspot.com/2010/05/aamir-khan-sanitation-champion-for.html" rel="nofollow">Aamir Khan &#8211; Sanitation Champion for Indian Schools</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 21:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for an excellent, well thought out post.  I am really happy that it has sparked such a civilized discussion in the comments.  

Best wishes to you as you continue on this path.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for an excellent, well thought out post.  I am really happy that it has sparked such a civilized discussion in the comments.  </p>
<p>Best wishes to you as you continue on this path.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 01:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh... and you must also add Happy Herbivore to your blogroll!!  Her recipes are really really YUMMY :)  She&#039;s also doing a bloggers whole foods challenge for 30 days right now... 

 http://happyherbivore.com

(Once again... in case you don&#039;t get my comment from my blog... I am extremely grateful for your kindness and commitments :))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230; and you must also add Happy Herbivore to your blogroll!!  Her recipes are really really YUMMY :)  She&#8217;s also doing a bloggers whole foods challenge for 30 days right now&#8230; </p>
<p> <a href="http://happyherbivore.com" rel="nofollow">http://happyherbivore.com</a></p>
<p>(Once again&#8230; in case you don&#8217;t get my comment from my blog&#8230; I am extremely grateful for your kindness and commitments :))</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 12:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YAY!!!!

I have been an avid reader of &quot;Fake Plastic Fish&quot; for quite some time... and have been eliminating plastic... 

Nearly 8 months ago, I made the conscious decision to stop eating animal meat.  There were several months where I kept having &quot;signs&quot; put in front of me... I&#039;d stumble upon videos, I&#039;d pick up a magazine... random thoughts started popping in my head about how I could justify eating cows, turkeys, pigs and chickens... and &quot;Why should there be a differentiation between my pets [4 dogs, a cat and 5 egg laying hens] and &#039;farm animals&#039;??&quot;  I couldn&#039;t do it anymore... 

http://itstartswithme-danielle.blogspot.com/2010/01/friends-not-food.html  (my post isn&#039;t quite as eloquent as yours ;) )

One of the immediate benefits of choosing not to buy meat is that I no longer have styrofoam trays or plastic wrap to toss!!!!  

I have trouble calling myself a vegetarian... I feel like it carries such weight and expectations.  I&#039;ve instead opted for calling myself  a &quot;conscious&quot; eater.... hmmm... doesn&#039;t sound grand... but it&#039;s how I eat... consciously.  While I don&#039;t eat any animals, except for fish on occasion (which makes it easier for going out and having a protein option).

Oh... my fav cookbook at the moment is &quot;Veganomicon&quot;... you must get it!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YAY!!!!</p>
<p>I have been an avid reader of &#8220;Fake Plastic Fish&#8221; for quite some time&#8230; and have been eliminating plastic&#8230; </p>
<p>Nearly 8 months ago, I made the conscious decision to stop eating animal meat.  There were several months where I kept having &#8220;signs&#8221; put in front of me&#8230; I&#8217;d stumble upon videos, I&#8217;d pick up a magazine&#8230; random thoughts started popping in my head about how I could justify eating cows, turkeys, pigs and chickens&#8230; and &#8220;Why should there be a differentiation between my pets [4 dogs, a cat and 5 egg laying hens] and &#8216;farm animals&#8217;??&#8221;  I couldn&#8217;t do it anymore&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://itstartswithme-danielle.blogspot.com/2010/01/friends-not-food.html" rel="nofollow">http://itstartswithme-danielle.blogspot.com/2010/01/friends-not-food.html</a>  (my post isn&#8217;t quite as eloquent as yours ;) )</p>
<p>One of the immediate benefits of choosing not to buy meat is that I no longer have styrofoam trays or plastic wrap to toss!!!!  </p>
<p>I have trouble calling myself a vegetarian&#8230; I feel like it carries such weight and expectations.  I&#8217;ve instead opted for calling myself  a &#8220;conscious&#8221; eater&#8230;. hmmm&#8230; doesn&#8217;t sound grand&#8230; but it&#8217;s how I eat&#8230; consciously.  While I don&#8217;t eat any animals, except for fish on occasion (which makes it easier for going out and having a protein option).</p>
<p>Oh&#8230; my fav cookbook at the moment is &#8220;Veganomicon&#8221;&#8230; you must get it!!</p>
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