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April 26, 2010

Plastic-Free Dental Floss? Not Quite.

by Beth Terry

DenTek plastic floss pick

Cool photo, huh? It’s a plastic DenTek floss pick. I see them all over the streets around here. Our litter bugs have good oral hygiene. Anyway, this one did not come from the gutter.  It is MY plastic floss pick. The Teflon (boo hiss!) tape finally broke last week after many, many uses. No, I wouldn’t buy plastic floss picks myself, but in a moment of desperation, having forgotten my own dental floss, I begged one from a coworker. I’ve kept it in my desk drawer at work and cleaned and reused it over and over again.

I’m going to discuss green(er) flossing options.  But first, an update on my current efforts to de-plastify my oral hygiene. Sadly, it’s one area of my life in which there is still a lot of plastic, although significantly reduced. I’m not willing to compromise too much as far as my teeth and gums are concerned. Bacteria in the mouth have been linked to serious systemic illnesses. Plus, fillings and crowns and other dental work are not particularly eco-friendly, even if you do have the greenest dentist in town.

Here are the supplies I use:

Eco Friendly dental toothpaste, mouth rinse, dental floss, recycled toothbrush

Toothbrush

I use a Preserve toothbrush made from 100% recycled polypropylene plastic, the kind that yogurt cups (and Brita filters!) are made from. Preserve will take back the toothbrushes, as well as all other number 5 plastics, at the end of their lives and recycle them into new Preserve products. While I have a problem with community recycling programs that ship their waste off to China, I support companies that practice “Extended Producer Responsibility” and take back their own waste.  What’s more, Preserve does the recycling here in the U.S. rather than abroad.

Other Options:

Wooden toothbrushes with natural boar bristles. As you can see from the link, the toothbrush comes in a plastic case, so what’s the point?  And second, I personally don’t like the idea of killing a boar for a toothbrush. While some companies claim their bristles come from humanely raised boars, I am skeptical. (And no, I don’t eat meat anymore either. But that is a recent, personal development and not necessarily relevant to this blog.)

Plastic toothbrushes with replaceable heads. Fuchs Ekotec and Radius Source with recycled handles are examples. These options are certainly better than buying all new virgin plastic every 4-6 weeks.

Toothpaste

After trying unsuccessfully to use various baking soda concoctions, and finding that all of them were too harsh for my teeth and gums, I finally reverted back to toothpaste. I keep it as waste-free as possible by 1) Using a very tiny amount. (It’s not the toothpaste that’s so important as the motion of brushing and especially the flossing.) 2) Choosing Tom’s of Maine SLS-Free toothpaste because that company too has a take back program for its aluminum tubes. After removing the plastic cap and threads, you can send the tube to:

Tom’s of Maine
Consumer Dialogue Team
302 Lafayette Center
Kennebunk, ME 04043

A note on BPA: It’s true that the lining of a Tom’s of Maine aluminum tube, like all aluminum containers, may contain some BPA. However, it’s also true that many other plastics contain chemicals that can leach. What chemicals are in plastic toothpaste tubes? We don’t know, and manufacturers won’t tell us. So my choice is a recyclable metal tube with less plastic.

Mouth Rinse

My dentist recommends Dental Herb Company Tooth and Gum Tonic. It is very concentrated, so I use a tiny bit diluted with water. The rinse comes in a glass bottle. Unfortunately, as you can see, the cap is plastic, as is the label. I tried making my own mouth rinse early on, using various herbs and spices in vodka. Then I learned that alcohol is too harsh. The tonic I now use is alcohol-free. It’s basically herbs and essential oils in a base of water and vegetable glycerin.

Dental Floss

So, about those flossing options I mentioned above. I won’t be going out to buy a package of plastic picks with their toxic Teflon floss, even if they can be washed and reused over and over again. And I’m also not going to wash and reuse regular dental floss, as some uber-greenies have suggested. Any floss that’s tough enough to stand up to repeated uses is probably made of some scary material that I don’t want in my mouth anyway.

Eco-Dent dental floss in a cardboard boxEco-Dent:My choice, after weighing all the options, is Eco-Dent dental floss. It’s what I’ve been using for the past two years, and I really like it. Unlike any other brand of dental floss I have found, it comes in a recyclable cardboard container. That was the deciding factor for me. While there is a very thin plastic wrapper inside the box and two protective plastic stickers on the outside, the amount of plastic packaging is minimal compared to all other brands.

What’s more, the floss is waxed using 100% vegetable waxes rather than beeswax or petroleum-based wax. The Gentle floss contains enzymes that help break down food particles between the teeth. The Vegan floss does not, as those enzymes are grown on a dairy substrate. Either sounds great, right? Well…

The floss itself is made from Nylon. Plastic. But I’ve compared Eco-Dent to other brands of floss, and to me, it’s the best choice currently offered.

Radius: Radius natural dental floss is made from silk. If you’re vegan, forget it.  If you’re not (I’m not), you still have to consider the packaging. The outer cardboard box can fool you. Inside is a regular plastic dental floss container.

Tom’s of Maine: The floss is made from Nylon with a hard plastic container inside the cardboard box.

DenTek Natural Floss Picks: In addition to their plastic floss picks, DenTek has created an “eco” option: individual disposable floss picks made from compostable starch rather than petroleum-based plastic. According to the company, they will break down in 180 days at a commercial compost facility. And the FAQ on the web site includes a link to instructions for building your own compost bin if you don’t have a commercial facility nearby. It seems like a green idea. But when you dig into the reality of it, you find just more greenwashing.

  1. Most commercial facilities process their compost at a much faster rate than 180 days. At Jepson Prairie, the facility that handles San Francisco’s compost, the material is “cooked” for 60 days and then “cured” for 30 days. Would DenTek picks break down in that short of a time?
  2. The floss picks come in a big plastic bag, so there’s really no plastic savings there. The company advertises the bag as recyclable, but unless they are willing to take back that bag and recycle it themselves, it’s not likely to get recycled anywhere.
  3. The floss itself is Nylon, so where is the benefit over regular Nylon dental floss?
  4. The “natural” picks don’t work well. In short, according to reviews on Amazon.com and Drugstore.com, they suck. Users complain that the floss doesn’t slide well and breaks too easily. So the argument can’t even be made for washing and reusing them over and over again like I did with my toxic Teflon pick.
  5. Way more materials and energy go into producing floss picks with their plastic handles (regardless of what the handles are made from) than plain dental floss. Unless there is some reason why you can’t use regular dental floss and must use a pick, I’d recommend skipping these.

Bryton picksBryton Picks: Okay, this option just seems weird. I had to post the picture from the site because I couldn’t even figure out how to accurately describe these things. Bryton picks are not floss. Instead, they are made from flexible stainless steel strips that you slide up and down between each tooth. The handle is made from plastic. On the plus side, the device can be cleaned and reused for up to a month, probably longer. But I simply can’t imagine them actually working in the way that dental floss is supposed to work — below the gum line and around the teeth.

I’ll ask my dentist and get back to you.

Glide and other mainstream flosses: They’re made from Nylon or Teflon (worse), come in plastic containers, usually inside plastic blister packs, and are synthetically waxed. So why even consider them?

One Final Word

I’d love to hear your solutions for greener, less plastic dental hygiene. But I’m not willing to go to extremes to get the plastic out at the expense of my mouth.  Part of my goal with this blog/project is to find out just where my limits are — to learn what I am and am not willing to give up. The changes I make don’t have an expiration date. They have to be sustainable for a lifetime.

And one more word after that.

My dentist founded the Eco Dentistry Association, which supports dentists everywhere in finding greener ways to practice dentistry, from reducing unnecessary disposable plastic to finding less toxic treatments. Refer your dentist to the organization’s web site for more information.

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53 Comments on Plastic-Free Dental Floss? Not Quite.

  1. sarah kornfeld on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 3:21 pm
  2. Beth!!!

    I was just wondering about this this morning….thank you! the pick is so scary…and the kid dentist my kid goes to (age 4) gave a HUGE bag of them to us for him. scary.

    thanks as usual!
    sk

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  3. monkeyjen on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 3:23 pm
  4. My hygenist recommends these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000XP4I3C/ref=oss_product
    They do have a thin plastic wrapper, but the package is cardboard and the product is wood – so all compostable. It’s not exactly a substitute for floss, but sort of and it keeps your gums healthy.

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  5. Peggy on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 3:39 pm
  6. Those compostable starch picks are made from monocropped GMO corn, over-fertilized, sprayed with pesticides, herbicides and other things that do more harm than a piece of recyclable plastic, IMHO. But I know plastic is your nemesis. Just another angle. I really like my Water Pik. I’ve had it for 15 years and it’s still going strong. It creates no waste and my dentist is pleased with it’s effectiveness for my particular mouth. I use Weleda toothpastes. Baking soda was way too drying for my gums.
    .-= Peggy´s last blog ..Monday Morning Rethink: Buzz your Brain =-.

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  7. Beth Terry on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 3:41 pm
  8. Okay, Jen, you are going to have to explain that to me. We actually have a box of Stim-U-Dent in the medicine cabinet. I think they must be Michael’s. I never knew what they were for. But I just tried using them, and they don’t fit between my teeth like dental floss does. So I’m not sure how I could use them to clean between my teeth. Have you been using them? Can you enlighten me?
    .-= Beth Terry´s last blog ..Fake Plastic Fish on the Radio =-.

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  9. Beth Terry on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 3:44 pm
  10. Peggy, on the web site, they say the starch is from tapioca, potatoes, and wheat. They don’t mention corn. But either way, I’m not in favor of any plastic picks (whether bio-based or petroleum-based), which I hope came across in my post. To me, plain floss is better anyway.
    .-= Beth Terry´s last blog ..Earth Day 2010: Buying Green vs. Being Green =-.

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  11. Brittany on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 3:47 pm
  12. Thank you so much for posting this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is amazing.

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  13. Melanie on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 3:55 pm
  14. How about tooth soap? The product is quite excellent, and if you get the peppermint version it’s really not awful. I know you’re thinking ew, soap, but it’s only the fragrance oils that are added to soaps that make them taste nasty. And your mouth feels CLEAN afterward. One of my friends took his daughter to the dentist after having switched to tooth soap, and got great remarks!

    Why can’t you use something like a cotton embroidery floss on a wooden spool for flossing, rather than all this other stuff? Flossing is meant to clean between your teeth, which needs something soft and thin. I’d think it would be great – and can be composted. Cotton biodegrades quickly.

    Why has no one done this yet? When I need to get something out of my teeth a thread is the first thing I look for – even if it’s a loose thread on my clothing.

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  15. Leah on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 7:35 pm
  16. Desert Essence also has a natural floss. It does, however, come in a plastic box. They also have a toothpaste, mouthwash and toothpicks.

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  17. Ryan on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 7:40 pm
  18. I saw your picture of your supplies and realized my bathroom cabinet looks identical (with a blue Preserve brush, that is!). I just recently discovered the SLS-free version of Tom’s of Maine and my ever present sensitive teeth are feeling relieved! It’s funny, we take the harsh chemicals OUT of a product and we immediately feel better…

    I was wondering the other day what to do about floss, but I guess there’s no getting around it. I just have to floss! I also use EcoDent so it’s really cool to see that you enjoy and promote it!

    Is your mouth wash sold in grocery stores?

    Thanks for this post!
    .-= Ryan´s last blog ..Plastic Beach =-.

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  19. Beth Terry on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 8:18 pm
  20. Unfortunately, the mouth rinse can only be purchased through a dentist. But maybe if you ask, your dentist will order it for you.
    .-= Beth Terry´s last blog ..It’s Earth Day. So Why Hate… Anything? =-.

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  21. Beth Terry on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 8:20 pm
  22. Oh right. I forgot to mention Desert Essence. But it’s off limits to be too because of the plastic container. Do you know what the actual floss is made from?

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  23. Beth Terry on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 8:23 pm
  24. Melanie, how do you keep tooth soap from spreading germs to others? I assume it is like a bar of soap, right? We use soap bars for washing our faces and bodies, and we use bar shampoo (Well, we did. Now we use baking soda.) as well as lotion bars. But I wonder about putting different toothbrushes into the same tooth soap. How does that work?

    Also, I doubt embroidery floss would be strong enough. And since it’s not waxed, it might not slide in and out easily. The original dental floss was made from silk, but the silk industry is problematic. I’m guessing no one has ever made cotton dental floss because it won’t hold up well. But that’s just my guess. It might work in a pinch for a tooth or two. But will it really do the whole mouth top and bottom?

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  25. Leanne on Mon, 26th Apr 2010 9:54 pm
  26. I can’t help wondering what oral hygiene practice we’re supposed to do next? What oral wonder product will be released on to the market next? You can bet, whatever it is, it will be costly, take time, and will NOT make any *visible* difference to the whiteness and straightness of our snappers!

    First it started with brushing our teeth. Fair enough.

    But since I was a kid, the “improvements” have included flossing (does ANYONE over the age of 30 who isn’t a dentist actually, really-truly floss? I don’t), mouth washes, tongue brushes, gargles, electric toothbrushes (supposed to be better, depending on who you ask), tooth soap, tooth mousse, interdent sticks, and gum you’re supposed to chew to increase saliva production.

    Oh, and then there’s fluoride in everything. Don’t get me started on that one.

    Last year my 102 year old aunt died, with all her own teeth, and I’m damn sure she never flossed in her life. My parents (in their 60s) both have all their own teeth, yet they’ve neither of them ever flossed, moussed, gargled, sticked, tongue brushed, chewed or mouthwashed in their lives. Oh, and they’re healthy too – no nasty side effects from not doing any of the aforementioned.

    I know you said you weren’t going to discuss the option of NOT flossing, Beth. But this is comments time (*healthy smiles*), and maybe the key to healthy teeth is eating healthy and avoiding all the crappy food and drink that rots our teeth and makes us sick, rather than trying to clean up the mess afterwards with a stack of expensive oral products.

    For me, I think floss is a gimmick. As are all the other products, with the exception of basic toothpaste and a normal, cheaparse toothbrush.

    BTW, I remember reading somewhere that discarded floss is starting to be a major cause of strangulation in sea birds. Is this true? I figure if anyone would know, it would be you.

    Just my thoughts.
    .-= Leanne´s last blog ..This ANZAC Day in Dunedin =-.

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  27. Beth Terry on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 2:10 am
  28. Hi Leanne. I appreciate your point of view. But the fact is that dental health is actually hereditary.

    http://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/genetics_center/louisiana/article_oralcavity1.htm

    I’m not surprised that all the members of your family have great smiles without flossing. You’ve got great genes!

    For me, if I didn’t floss, I would lose my teeth to gum disease. I didn’t floss for years, and I ended up with terrible gingivitis and bleeding gums. I had to have several procedures, including root planing and laser treatments, to get them back into a healthy condition. Since I have been flossing regularly, the recessions have stopped, the bleeding has stopped, and my breath is a lot better.

    It’s true that many people in the old days had fine teeth without flossing. But a lot more people ended up losing their teeth. Even George Washington wore false teeth! According to MSNBC, he started losing his teeth in his twenties. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6875436/ I wonder if that would have happened if dental floss had been around back then. :-)
    .-= Beth Terry´s last blog ..Take The Challenge. Show Your Plastic. Make Art. =-.

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  29. rachel on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 2:42 am
  30. How funny. Just this morning I was flossing (I don’t do it often) and I wondered if I should put it in the bathroom trash, which gets put in the compost. I guess I should go dig it out =/

    Nice to know about the SLS free toothpaste. BF refuses to use anything but colgate, and I go along with it, got fed up of paying more for supposedly natural toothpastes that had the same nasty ingredients. I’ll see if they have that one in the UK. Also I didn’t know you could recycle the container with the toothpaste residue. That helps.

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  31. Jack on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 6:54 am
  32. Hello! First time commenting, but I’ve been reading for ages…
    I am sitting here with a Radius sourced toothbrush in one cart and a Preserve toothbrush in another, and I can’t decide which of the two to get. Beth, you obviously prefer the Preserve though still recommend the Radius. I have no special toothbrush needs and so my only concerns are 1) environmental and 2) pricing (spouse and I are both unemployed). Since the replacement heads on the Radius aren’t too much cheaper than the Preserve brushes, the price issue seems to be sort of a wash. Would you mind convincing me one way or the other on which type to try?
    Thanks!

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  33. Andrea on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 7:17 am
  34. I hate those stupid picks! They always give little packets of them to my kids free at the dentist (along with a toothbrush, a plastic tube of colgate and stickers, all in a vinyl bag). Last time my husband took my son, I instructed them both to say “no” to the goodie bag (I said they could take the toothbrush, though, since he’d need one of those anyway)…they misunderstood and left the bag behind, but brought home the picks, paste and brush. Grr. I do love Tom’s and Gentle Floss, and I’ve been saving up old toothbrushes for years, hoping to find a way to recycle them (I’ll have to find out if Preserve will take other brands!!). Wish there was a plastic-free alternative to the mouth guard I wear at night to keep from grinding my teeth away.
    .-= Andrea´s last blog ..New Favorite Food–Gnocchi =-.

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  35. Dental Dana on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 12:16 pm
  36. Beth,

    Thanks for the link on the genetic factor in oral health. I always suspected that was the case!

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  37. Kelli aka KirkBerserk on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 1:31 pm
  38. Hi Beth!
    Hooray! I’ve been wondering for the past year what it is you do for floss! It’s actually when I’m flossing my teeth that I end up thinking about your site the most, mostly because it’s when I start feeling guilty about my plastic floss. I couldn’t fathom the thought of NOT flossing (although, I took quite a break in the beginning of my eco-frenzy), but I didn’t know what alternatives there were. So thank you for giving me the breakdown on the best flosses! :)

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  39. Mitty on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 5:41 pm
  40. The Stimudents are easy to use; you just poke it straight between your teeth up near the gum line and pull it straight back out. They are very effective. I’m not sure where the wood comes from–it seems logical that they might be made from scrap wood from another manufacturing process, but that may well not be the case.

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  41. Beth Terry on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 5:46 pm
  42. Dana, I forgot to mention before that unlike Leanne who apparently inherited great genes, I inherited crappy ones when it comes to my mouth. My paternal grandmother had all her teeth out in her 50′s and wore dentures for as long as I knew her. My maternal grandmother kept her teeth but had to have massive amounts of dental work to save them. Both ate very healthfully and brushed regularly; however I don’t remember ever seeing floss in my maternal grandma’s house. My parents have both flossed and used a water pik after being diagnosed with gum disease, and were able to reverse the damage and keep their teeth in good shape. Until recently, I had been very remiss and paid the price for it. And then my green dentist hypnotized me into flossing. :-) Not actually. But he did talk to me about it for about an hour while he was working on my teeth and convinced me I needed to do it every day. Now? I actually love it.

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  43. Beth Terry on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 5:49 pm
  44. If it’s not too late, I recommend the Preserve toothbrush because the company takes back and recycles the whole thing. Plus it’s made from recycled plastic. The whole mission of the company is recycling. And while I wouldn’t use some of their products myself (recycled plastic food containers, for instance) I do want to support companies that practice Extended Producer Responsibility.

    I believe with the Radius, you throw away the heads and keep the handle. I don’t think there is much recycling going on there. It’s just that there is some plastic saved since the handle does not have to be replaced. Let me know if I’m wrong about that.

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  45. Beth Terry on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 6:13 pm
  46. Hi Mitty. Maybe my teeth are too close together. I couldn’t get the stimudent between them. Or maybe I’m doing it wrong.
    .-= Beth Terry´s last blog ..YouTube presents: Bags & Bottles =-.

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  47. Lara S. on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 9:57 pm
  48. I too am worried about the plastic retainer I use at night. I read you use one too (tought perhaps of a different material. Mine is hard and transparent plastic). Have you asked your green dentist about the possibility of leaching chemicals? I’d like to know if it’s better to get a new retainer as often as you can, to avoid the old chewed plastic in case that it gets easier for it to release the chemicals; or maybe new plastic is loaded with chemicals because they haven’t “washed” into our mouths. Scary :(

    One of my friends has started selling Amway products. She says they’re more natural and that they’re very concentrated so you use less packaging. The “natural” part, I don’t dare believe much (they do disclose components of their products but I don’t know if they differ or not from other products), but if the products are equally toxic and I can avoid excessive packaging I’d be willing to try some of them. So I was wondering if Beth (or other readers) have tried Amway products and can tell me your opinion about them?

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  49. Elizabeth B on Tue, 27th Apr 2010 11:21 pm
  50. Lara, I have a similar worry. I have to wear a night guard because I grind my teeth–if I didn’t, I’d lose all my teeth because of gum recession. Our new dentist does only night guards made from a thermal plastic that has to be heated up before you put it in your mouth. (!!) Every time I put that puppy in my mouth I cringe. Heating plastic? DNW.

    I may switch to Eco-Dent, though.

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  51. Beth Terry on Wed, 28th Apr 2010 1:19 am
  52. Lara, I know nothing about Amway. I just know that if their products come in plastic packaging, I would not buy them.

    Crap. I should have mentioned my plastic Invisalign retainers that I wear every night of my life. I do know that Invisalign is BPA-free. However, what other chemicals could be in the plastic, I don’t know. Ironic, isn’t it? But without the retainer, my teeth are so crooked, I can’t clean them properly. I should post a pic of what they looked like when I was a kid. Maybe I’ll wait until Halloween because it’s scary.

    Heating plastic before you put it in your mouth, Elizabeth? FAIL. Maybe refer your dentist to the Eco Dentistry Association.

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  53. Kim from Milwaukee on Wed, 28th Apr 2010 8:42 am
  54. Great post, Beth. Like Melanie, I’ve wondered about taking cotton thread and running it over beeswax, which is supposed to strengthen it, and using that for floss. When I’ve used up the flosses I have all over the place, I’m going to try the thread. Carefully, though…it could cut the gums, I think…or maybe only the nylon thread would do that.

    I’m thinking of doing a ‘send back your used toothbrush attachements’ to Braun. I love their electric toothbrush, and I use the brush attachments until the bristles are all spread out, because I hate throwing those things in the trash. I’ll collect a bunch and send them to the manufacturer and see what kind of response I get!

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  55. Larkin on Wed, 28th Apr 2010 9:51 am
  56. Great timing! I recently found Radius silk floss and love how it works on my teeth. I have very close spacing. I just emailed the company to ask if they would start selling refills. The floss container is a very sturdy plastic and could be re-used for a long time. Maybe I should modify my request that they offer refills, wrapped in paper (not plastic) and on cardboard spools, not plastic.
    I just got out my 100% cotton sewing thread to give it a try. 1st try without beeswax: broke. Wouldn’t even go between my teeth before it broke. 2nd try with a beeswax coating: same results. Now I need to track down some silk thread.

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  57. anonymous on Thu, 29th Apr 2010 11:27 am
  58. Wait, who says you have to kill the boar to harvest the bristles? Can’t you just yank some out, like shearing a sheep for wool? Maybe I’m wrong.

    “On my naming day when I come 12 I gone front spear and kilt a wyld boar he parbly ben the las wyld pig on the Bundel Downs any how there hadnt ben none for a long time befor him nor I aint looking to see none agen.” — Russell Hoban, “Riddley Walker”

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  59. claire on Thu, 29th Apr 2010 10:10 pm
  60. I was wondering when this was gonna come up. I read a post about someone not being able to find a plastic free floss and I also suggested using thread. I can only assume silk would work better since that’s what people used to prefer. But is there any way of knowing what the thread was treated with unless it states that it’s unbleached and undyed? And even then, would it be sterile? Eco-Dent’s website says this about silk: “Silk production involves chemical sterilization and can be dangerous and involve child labor.”
    Radius’ website has this to say about child labor: “Child Labor – does RADIUS have a viewpoint? RADIUS has signed all of the manufacturing protocols associated with the prevention of the use of child labor. Our own manufacturing facilities are in the USA and we have strict policies on the age of employees.”
    But since I doubt the silk is produced in the US, who knows whether their policies apply to the people who produce it. I think it’s worth contacting them to ask about where the silk is produced, what’s involved in the sterilization process and to ask them if they would consider changing the packaging. I read another post about natural flosses that mentioned that Apache native americans used to use fibers from the yucca plant– probably yucca elata but I wonder if other varieties could be used. I was thinking about getting the dwarf variety (yucca nana) as a house plant and making floss out of it, if it would work. Really, I bet any natural fiber would work, as long as it’s strong enough not to break and soft enough not to cut, and if you aren’t a huge germophobe (which I can be sometimes).

    I had only recently gotten into the habit of flossing when my sister insisted upon it, but after trying to reduce my plastic waste I found myself not wanting to use it. I would really like to find a good plastic free alternative because I do agree that it’s a not a good idea to skip flossing– I also inherited horrible dental genes.

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  61. Zo on Mon, 10th May 2010 12:52 pm
  62. Great article, Beth. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I stoppped using Toms of Maine once they were bought by Clorox. I’m trying out some homemade recipes for myself and other brands for hubby who isn’t ready to leave commercial toothpaste. Have you found other toothpaste brands that have a non-plastic tube? I can order my things from a Frontier Coop. So, it’s sometimes difficult to see packaging before buying. I did find an all-natural, vegan dental floss on a cardboard spool, in a cardboard box while in Santa Cruz last year. I’ll try to track it down again for purchasing info…

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  63. Beth Terry on Mon, 10th May 2010 1:30 pm
  64. Wow, Zo, if you can track down that dental floss, I would love to know more about it. I just discovered yesterday that in addition to the little plastic baggie inside the Eco-Dent box, there is also a plastic spool.

    I don’t know of other toothpaste brands in metal tubes that can be recycled. But I’m always open to hearing about other options.

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  65. Sakeenah on Tue, 11th May 2010 10:21 am
  66. how about using a Miswak? (aka Siwak)
    this is a certain type of twig that is chewed on traditionally used by Muslims
    you soften it up by chewing on it and the fibers spread out and go between your teeth, has been used for centuries

    I have no affiliation with this site, I just want to save myself some typing:
    http://www.dentalhealthsite.com/what-is-miswak/

    unfortunately when we go to buy them now they come in a plastic sheet, guess everyone is paranoid about microbes, but if you start to look around, maybe some ethnic food shops, you can find them bundled

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  67. Kristin on Sun, 13th Jun 2010 6:59 pm
  68. It is worth learning about Weston Price’s experience in dental hygiene. He was a dentist in the early 1900s who traveled the world to find people with healthy teeth and find out why “modern” humans had such unhealthy teeth. He found that people following a traditional diet inevitably had healthy teeth, generally without any need for floss or toothpaste. Why?

    Well, look into it. But it comes down to diet: raw, full-fat milk from animals on pasture, animal products from healthy animals, traditional fats, foods from the ocean, and fruits/vegetables from highly mineralized soils, and cultured/fermented foods. sunshine, a good amount of raw foods, good water… happiness!

    I was vegetarian for 14 years and I have a deep respect for the vegetarian way of life. But to regain my health and particularly my dental health I have found a balanced, radically healthy, animal/plant diet makes the most sense. I say this particularly as a nursing mom right now.

    Look into it: traditional diets and the link to healthy teeth…

    Dr. Price literally traveled all over the world and didn’t find a healthy society that was entirely plant based.

    I still use dental floss and don’t think I will likely reverse my need for it, but maybe my daughter has a chance to keep her naturally healthy teeth!

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  69. Julie on Thu, 22nd Jul 2010 3:47 pm
  70. I make my own mouthwash. Take an old bottle and lid that you can reuse. Add a teaspoon of salt. Add a couple drops of essential oil (I use peppermint and eucalyptus). Add water and shake. My dentist recommended salt water as a mouth rinse because it kills germs.

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  71. Andrea Echavarria on Wed, 18th Aug 2010 2:08 pm
  72. Dear Beth and all,
    I am a freak when it comes to Green oral hygiene. I found this amazing product that is currently being sold in Latin America. Is a Single use floss sachet made of biodegradable paper and you can have it with natural silk or nylon. I emailed them about the product and they mentioned that are currently in the process of experimenting with other natural fibers to replace the nylon. They use Natural flavors. I bought a pack from their American Distributor (Fresh & Go) – Try searching single floss sachets and they are great. I think companies like Eco-Dent and Radius should take advantage of this product to replace picks and add a new innovative biodegradable sachet to their ON THE GO markets.

    Here is there website: http://www.macrolab.com.co and they seem to be related to http://www.panaceadental.com (american subsidiary)

    It is a great product try to post a picture from their website….

    Andrea

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  73. Beth Terry on Thu, 19th Aug 2010 12:51 pm
  74. Hi Andrea. It looks like the floss comes in plastic containers? Is that right? I am looking at it from my mobile phone so maybe I’m not seeing the picture properly.

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  75. Andrea Echavarria on Thu, 19th Aug 2010 12:56 pm
  76. Dear Beth check this out

    http://www.macrolab.com.co/sitioconsolas/flossi_producto_ingles.php?id=65

    I personally know the product and its pack is made with biodegradable paper or with BOPP (Plastic and paper).

    The paper one is absolutely amazing!! and very green.

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  77. Beth Terry on Thu, 19th Aug 2010 5:16 pm
  78. Okay, so I have looked at the product on a desktop computer now. Is each individual length of floss wrapped up in a separate package? I’m honestly trying to figure out how it’s green because if it’s what I think it is, it will create so much more packaging waste than one box that contains 100 yards of floss.

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  79. Reenie on Sun, 19th Sep 2010 8:04 am
  80. As I just recently found a great dental hygenist, I learned that my mostly vertical action of floss doesn’t clean properly. Probably most know that the floss should be moved to follow the path of the teeth, moving the floss down the side of one tooth, into the valley of gum and a little way up the next tooth. Then reverse directions, starting at the top of the next tooth, back down into the valley of gum just in. BTW I’ve never used those throwaway flossers; now that I’m flossing with more awareness I don’t think they’d be as controllable as a longer line of floss. Also, my new dental hygenist recommends that I hold the floss with middle fingers and use index fingers to control ascent and descent of floss. No sharp up down, but flowing around the sides of the teeth and in the gum region in control flowing action. My former error in flossing was to do mostly vertical movement of floss, the old idea that I must rush. But that up and down-only floss motion will not clean thoroughly, especially near gumline.

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  81. Reenie on Sun, 19th Sep 2010 8:05 am
  82. I forgot to mention that I was given a pick sort of instrument with a rubber tip to use to poke around the gums in between teeth, front and back sides. Has anyone any option on these?

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  83. Tracey on Sun, 19th Sep 2010 10:15 am
  84. I am giving a DIY Dental workshop tomorrow!

    WHAT: Natural Dental Care Workshop
    WHEN: Monday September 20 6 to 8pm
    WHERE: Anarres Natural Health, College and Ossington
    REGISTER: http://www.anarreshealth.ca/node/874

    In my new workshop by request, Natural Dental Care, we’ll discuss the germ, decay and odour fighting properties of essential oils, explore deodorizing and whitening ingredients and carriers and how they “work”, look at natural tooth and mouthcare products and earth friendly options, then you’ll make a custom mouthwash and breath freshener, plus a custom tooth paste or powder to take home.

    I am going to point the participants to this entry – could I print it out for them? Better than me just spouting off YOUR research!

    I use the replaceable head type of toothbrush, and my dsaughter used the natural bristle – in the inane plastic case, until an evil relative bought her an electric princess toothbrush that you can’t even replace the batteries for. That’s probably even worse than the evil relative who bought her 5 sunglasses at once because “they were on sale!”. Oh, yeah, my boycott thing is only for FULL PRICED plastic. Silly me!

    I MUST get my back bone up to REJECT these gifts instead of whining about them. It’s evil to give a kid something behind their parent’s back and put the parent in the position of taking it away. Grrr.

    I make my own toothpaste and mouthwash/breath freshener, and am working through umpteen dental floss containers we already have.
    Tracey´s last [type] ..Tell the UN to get back on track to stop maternal deaths!

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  85. Eco-Friendly Dental Hygiene « Eco Lesbo Vego on Tue, 16th Nov 2010 6:05 am
  86. [...] toothpaste tube that Beth Terry of Fake Plastic Fish uses in her very comprehensive post entitled Plastic-Free Dental Floss? Not Quite, but again, I’d have to ship it from the USA and I try not to do that. Buy local, [...]

  87. Dmarie on Wed, 8th Dec 2010 2:44 pm
  88. hmmnnn, I’m definitely going to have to read more of the posts I’d missed as a relatively new visitor. there is so much to think about! I had jumped from here to add ecodent to my cart, came back to read more and find the product has more plastic than you thought. will have to research more…would definitely like to find an alternative to the little plastic container types of floss.
    Dmarie´s last [type] ..Best pancakes EVER!

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  89. KelseyJoy on Sat, 11th Dec 2010 5:03 pm
  90. I make my own toothpaste and keep it in a glass jar with a metal lid…..at first it took a while to get used to the flavor(because of the baking soda) but after just a couple of weeks I was in a situation where I had to use regular toothpaste and you know what?….it was disgusting. I found that I could hardly stand the taste of regular toothpaste because it tasted too sweet to me. I love my toothpaste, it’s plastic free, doesn’t have any odd or ingredients, fast and easy to make, and cheaper in the long run too!! It also doesn’t get all foamy in my mouth which I love because the foam from the other stuff makes me gag. :P
    Here’s a link to the recipe I use:

    http://www.oldpathsfamilyfarm.net/blog/2008/04/04/yummy-homemade-toothpaste/

    P.S. I add more stevia and mint in mine then the recipe calls for.

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  91. veena on Wed, 5th Jan 2011 8:09 pm
  92. yea, but what about the plastic box that the preserve toothbrush comes in….seems like a big bummer and waste….is it recycled also, is it recyclable?

    i struggle with this one myself as a person striving towards a plastic free life.

    and i do pretty well.

    toothbrushes are hard, i think, if only i could grow neem then i could do like they do in india and simply use a twig to brush my teeth…no waste.

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  93. Beth Terry on Thu, 6th Jan 2011 12:14 am
  94. HI Veena. These days the Preserve toothbrushes come in a plastic mailer envelope that you send back to the company with the brush. They told me that they recycle both the brush and the mailer. As for those that still come in a box — the box is made from tree cellulose, not petroleum-based plastic. Still, it is a lot of packaging, isn’t it?
    Beth Terry´s last [type] ..December 2010 Plastic Waste Tally

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  95. Katie M on Thu, 27th Jan 2011 9:03 pm
  96. Floss is something i use regularly but completely overlooked in my weekly challenge total.
    thanks for the less plastic ideas, although i will use up what i already have first.
    i have tried Tom’s toothpaste (and originally picked it for it’s non-plastic tube) but my husband complained about the taste.
    We are currently using Jason (http://www.jason-natural.com/products/oral_care.php) Sea Fresh, but will probably switch back when it’s gone.

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  97. Anne on Fri, 18th Feb 2011 12:23 pm
  98. My husband and I have been using Tooth Soap for years, and just recently we tried the (more accurately named) Tooth Shreds (from Rose of Sharon). Tooth Soap comes in reusable brown glass jars with plastic lids. Tooth Shreds comes in metal tins. Both are bits of soap, already shredded. You take out one shred and bite it, then scrub it with your toothbrush until it foams up. Because they’re already shredded, there’s little or no hygiene problem.

    Using soap is a different experience from using toothpaste, but it’s one I’ve come to prefer. I don’t mind the slight soapy taste and my teeth feel considerably cleaner than they did when we were using regular (green, flouride-free) toothpaste, and neither of us has had any dental problems since we started using it.

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  99. Bert on Sat, 19th Mar 2011 4:37 pm
  100. Why not just use a heavier thread for dental floss. You can buy it at a sewing store on a wooden bolt.

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  101. emma on Sat, 30th Apr 2011 10:14 am
  102. Check out the zero waste home bathroom. She had plastic free alternatives. Also read the comments someone talks about a compostable toothbrush.

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  103. mairsydoats on Mon, 23rd May 2011 5:05 pm
  104. I don’t think the rubber doodad mounted on a holder is for flossing – I think it’s for stimulating the gums. I love that thing with a passion, but still need to floss.

    Damn those bad tooth genes!!

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  105. Sandra on Mon, 15th Aug 2011 8:18 pm
  106. I was also skeptical about using the Butler gum stimulator in place of dental floss, as recommended by the Zero Waste Home. In the hopes of reducing waste, though, I decided to give it a try. After six months, and a follow-up visit to the dentist’s office, I have to say that it really does work. My dentist even marveled that my gums were healthier this time around.

    There’s a trick to using the stimulator tool correctly as a floss substitute: you have to remember to guide the rubber tip around the entire gumline (front and back of each tooth), not just in between teeth. It sounds harder to do than it is, and once you get the hang of it, cleaning teeth this way will take the same amount of time as flossing.

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