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March 25, 2011

I’m An Environmentalist and I’m Not Having Kids

It would be easy for me to feel self-righteous about my decision not to breed. According to many thinkers, population is the number one factor driving such problems as global climate change, pollution, and hunger. And children born and raised in affluent nations have a significantly higher impact on the planet than those born to more modest means. As one of my blogger friends put it, population “relates to everything – including the amount of plastic crap circulating in the ocean.”

So it would have been mighty selfless of me to deny my maternal instinct for the sake of the planet, right? But honestly, my decision not to have children had nothing to do with environmental concerns. I looked at my life, my goals, my physical and emotional resources, and despite my love for cute little babies, I realized there were other things I wanted to do with my life and that bringing a child into the world was not for me.

Of course, we’re all looking for outside validation of our choices, right?

So it was with great interest that I read Stephanie Weiss’s latest piece in the Huffington Post, “My Uterus Is Officially Closed for Business and I Have No Regrets,” in which she explains that despite her own baby cravings, she’s going to adopt someday instead of having her own kids. For environmental reasons.

At first, Stefanie’s plan sounded reasonable to me. I appreciated her non-judgmental approach to the issue. Instead of turning her piece into a rant about overpopulation, she calmly explains how she’s decided to take responsibility for her own impact on the planet, without judging anyone else’s decisions. In fact, she acknowledges the pain of childless women who do want children and have been unable to conceive, but then goes on to analyze how society pressures all women to have children and asks us to

Imagine, for a moment, if the option of not having kids were talked about in home economics or health classes in high school, just like everything else. If all our children were truly conscious decisions, perhaps we’d have a much happier, psychologically healthier world. And that’s not even counting what reducing the population would do for Planet Earth — making all our lives, the ones we’re living right now, safer from the ravages of climate change.

So, I posted the article on my Facebook page and got some comments that really made me think. One of my friends thought Ms. Weiss’s piece was premature, since she hasn’t actually adopted a child but simply plans to do it someday.

I feel like this would be a more compelling piece if this woman… had already gone through the adoption process. The truth is, adoption is HARD. Super super hard. And expensive. Having sex is … well, free. And …pretty easy. The barriers to adoption often stymie the most well-meaning intended adopters.

Hmm… good point. I wonder if Weiss will actually follow through with her plan.   Here are some thoughts from someone who actually did follow through.  BlogHer CE, Shannon LC Cate, wrote me:

I won’t say I decided not to have bio children to reduce the population, but rather that I am so pessimistic about the future I couldn’t bear the guilt of bringing new people into this mess. It’s a terrible, sad way to think, but it’s truly how I feel. So when I decided I wanted to go ahead and be a parent, adoption was my go-to plan.

Adoption was the right choice to make a family for me and there is much more to it than it just being another way to have kids (which is what I thought, originally). Adoption is its own special needs parenting–even if you aren’t parenting kids with special needs, adoption has a package of issues every adopted kid has to handle in one way or another. So I wouldn’t recommend people just swap it out for birth when wanting children.

(Also, there are not enough healthy newborn infants for all the people who want them. To adopt ethically, most of the time you are going to have to consider taking the children all those other people DON’T want.) But for my family it has been an excellent fit.

Other friends of mine questioned the ethics of adoption as an alternative to bearing one’s own children (for those who are physically able to conceive).

Deanna from Crunchy Chicken wonders if adoption “creates a market and you end up pushing the “trauma” of childbearing off onto the poor. In other words, the rich no longer have to go through the burden of carrying and bearing babies.”

And another friend worries that overseas adoption will promote

the activity of selling children. There are countries… where religious organizations pressure parents to give their kids to “rich Americans” so that they can have a better life. Of course they tell the adoptive parents all sort so horror stories about how that child was abandoned or starving, etc when in reality that was that was not the case.

Betsy from the blog Eco-Novice doesn’t believe population is the problem in the first place and does not think population control is the answer to our problems. Instead, she thinks procreation

…is a biological and psychological impulse, part of being human. Like needing to connect with the natural world. Humans have always wanted to perpetuate themselves. I personally think the fact that so many people do not want to have children now is what has been indoctrinated through our current culture.

And Betsy adds,

When lots of people choose not to have children, a society becomes more hostile towards children. Think of the dirty looks parents get on airplanes and in restaurants…. And while environmentalists worry about population growth, demographers are worrying about the dire consequences of population collapse.

Regardless of your opinion about whether overpopulation is the cause of our environmental woes, Abby at The Green Phonebooth wants us to at least be able to talk about it. In her piece, “7 Billion Elephants in the Room,” advices readers to:

1. Reduce your consumption… of everything. About 20% of the world’s population uses 80% of the resources and has the most impact on environmental degradation….
2. When you need to buy something, buy fair trade….
3. Support programs and organizations, politically and/or financially, that promote women’s rights, education, and family planning in the developing world….

But most importantly, let’s talk about the population issues. As environmentalists, let’s stop ignoring the environmental elephant in the room.

So what do you think? About population, procreation, adoption, and women’s reproductive decisions? Is adoption a more eco-friendly alternative to procreation? Or does it just create a whole new set of problems?

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Odudu
1 year 9 months ago
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4 years 11 months ago
Wow! 105 comments….how did I miss this one? Beth, some folks in my neighborhood adopted for environmental reasons. They would have been able to conceive…he had a vasectomy. Many people took it hard, especially because this is a good looking, well educated, successful couple. Many folks made comments like, “Our society NEEDS people like you to reproduce.” Interesting…. It took me a long time to decide to have kids. Had 9-11 never happened, I might still be more focused on climbing the corporate ladder. My eldest was conceived a month after 9-11. It changed everything for me. I agree with… Read more »
5 years 2 months ago
Brooke, you make a great point that is on my mind quite a bit – that is the fact that although we feel we are making individual choices, if you took all the choices of all individuals and plotted them statistically, you’d find that they fall into the typical distribution curve where a few have many children, a few have none and most fall in between. In other words, human behavior of any kind follows the curve of other phenomena – like throwing dice. So it makes me question free will…though each of us certainly believes he/she is making a… Read more »
Brooke
5 years 2 months ago

I’ve never really understood how making the personal choice to adopt over having a biological child really helps to reduce population. Most children are not planned and obviously the ones given up for adoption are not. Just because I might make the choice to have one child or no children, doesn’t stop another person from having 12 children. In most developing countries where the population is increasing dramatically women don’t even have a choice of planning their pregnancies.

amberrayh
5 years 2 months ago
One commenter on this post said that their family line (theirs and their spouses) has remained stable for the past 100 years. I.e. parents had a child or two, parents died, child(ren) married and had a child or two, then died, etc. My family line has been quite the opposite. I recently read my great-great grandfather’s memoir. He and his wife had 13 children. By the time he was 80 years old he proudly reported that he and his since deceased wife had exactly 100 descendants. My own parents both came from families with 8 children. My parents had six… Read more »
5 years 2 months ago

Amberrayh, thanks for that last part. Yes, I feel like I want more ways to interact with children, too. I wish sometimes I hadn’t lived so far away from my neices and nephews when they were small. And by the way, I’m from a Mormon family too. But not Utah Mormon. My parents were both converts — and only children.

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LJRich
5 years 3 months ago
I could write an entire blog entry about what I think on this topic. Fact is, I have 3 kids that I do not regret having. But, if I were to have to go back and do it over again, knowing what I know now? I might not have done it. First of all, over breeding is DEFINITELY a problem. When something eventually goes wrong, and people are fighting each other to survive, we don’t have enough for all these people. Just look at the mess the U.S. has become. It’s tragic how disgusting this country is, right now. Involved… Read more »
B
5 years 3 months ago
Hi SimplyCJ, Your beliefs are your own business, but how can you say the population of the world is not ours to control? Clearly, we DO have the ability to make choices about and control our own reproduction, through any number of means. And if those means were exercised by people on a global scale, it WOULD amount to us controlling the population of the world. Acting as if we can’t exert control on the population of the world sounds like a rather convenient abdication of real responsibility for our actions to me, for with knowledge and power (which as… Read more »
SimplyCJ
5 years 3 months ago

I’m also an environmentalist, but I believe in God. We were made to procreate and children are His gift to us. The population of the world is God’s to control, not ours. Allow yourself to be lead by God. If he calls you to parenthood, then be thankful and embrace the joy of it.

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5 years 3 months ago

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B
5 years 3 months ago
Dear Trendy, Thank you for stopping. I don’t think you read the comment thread above (understandably, b/c it is quite long), or you might have seen this, which I will reiterate for your benefit: “And PLEASE, can we stop saying that it’s “natural” to want to have kids, as if it is somehow “unnatural” to choose not to procreate?”” -EcoCatLady Your remarks about what is “natural” are insulting to those of us who don’t fit your definition of “natural,” and your comment about what women were “created” for reinforces gender stereotypes, and therefore sexism. Please be more careful about generalizing… Read more »
Trendy
5 years 3 months ago
The topic was a little over the edge to me. I am all up for doing what I can to help the environment but not having kids to offset my carbon footprint? This is just too much for me. As a mom of two, I can tell you that there is a huge emotional deep connection between me and my children. I couldn’t imagine asking someone to forgo this. As a mom, I have a better appreciation and understanding of my family and other people because I am a mom. I feel more connected to humanity. I am all about… Read more »
5 years 3 months ago

Hi Trendy. I understand that this is an emotional topic, but I hope you realize no one is asking anyone else to forgo having children. Quite the opposite. The post is about personal choices and teaching women and girls that they actually have a choice. It’s natural for some women to be moms, but it’s also just as natural for some women not to be moms. And thinking about our childrens’ impact on the environment can influence how we raise the children we choose to have.

5 years 3 months ago
I have two kids. I would actually like to have a third. I consider myself an environmentalist. I feel some conflict about this, as I know that my children are undoubtedly going to have a high carbon footprint, based on their typical North American lifestyle. Having fewer children is one way to help solve some of the environmental issues we’re facing, yes. But I think it’s unrealistic to expect many or most people not to have children at all. For many people, reproduction is a deep biological compulsion. And so I think the ultimate solution has to be to change… Read more »
I believe the children are the future — Ecology + Family + Lifestyle
5 years 3 months ago

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Julia
5 years 3 months ago
Brand new here. I have a lot of feelings about this subject, but the one thing I’d like to address is the idea of expecting your kids to be like you when they grow up. So many of my friends are the black sheep of the family. . . and hey- that works both ways, you know! A family of liberals could end up with an “Alex Keaton”! When it comes down to it, I’m just uncomfortable about the idea of bringing kids into the world with those kinds of expectations. It actually seems unfair to me. They are people.… Read more »
5 years 3 months ago
I’ve been meaning to comment. Good topic. I hear environmentalists all the time say that they won’t have babies and no one who cares about the planet should, yada, yada, yad. But really, the women who care about the planet will pass down the values we need to treat the planet and its inhabitants better. Like teaching our children how to grow their own food and get them back in touch with the earth. Buy mostly local and organic food, make, reuse and barter, etc… I am pregnant with baby #2 at age 41 and I am an environmentalist! I’m… Read more »
5 years 3 months ago
As a mother who is currently pregnant with my fifth (!) child (despite our efforts to be done at three, incidentally), I was almost afraid to click on this post. It has certainly crossed my mind more than once that I have no right bringing more people to the planet. I have resigned myself to the fact that my children and I will just have to work that much harder to make up for my selfish choices, because I utterly adore life with my family and even though my last two were not planned I am massively thankful for them.… Read more »
5 years 3 months ago
Adoption is not always that easy. My husband and I have always planned on adopting, but it didn’t work out. With him in the military, we’re not in one place long enough to adopt a newborn (the wait is generally well over the 4-6 years that one posting lasts). We both feel uncomfortable with international adoption. We tried to adopt a 10-year-old boy with ADHD and OCD through social services – a difficult to place child if ever one existed – but it fell through because we couldn’t guarantee that we’d be staying in the same province. My heart was… Read more »
5 years 3 months ago
I think the screech of “overpopulation” is just one more way that we blame the people with the least power for all of the world’s problems. Have you seen those comparisons of like, how many Bangladeshi’s does it take to equal one middle class American (something like 60?) And how many to equal one of the top 1% of the US who have amassed all of the world’s wealth and have multiple mansions, yachts, personal jets, etc? The people who will suffer most from the consequences of climate change (and other environmental catastrophes) are the people who have played the… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

Betsy’s last sentence struck home with me.

“If having children is not an appropriate choice, why bother saving the Earth in the first place?”

I don’t see a purpose in saving the world for the world’s sake. I am an environmentalist for humanity’s sake.

If people don’t want to have children – I totally support that. But as some noble sacrifice for the earth – that just doesn’t ring true to me.

“If having children is not an appropriate choice, why bother saving the Earth in the first place?”

claire
5 years 4 months ago
i am a mom of one amazing 22-month-old girl. i have been an environmentalist for years, but i do want to comment that many new parents become environmentalists because they finally get it: they see the dangerous things that go into their child’s mouth (which they didn’t care about before the child); they are more willing to plan for the future, in terms of caring for our earth (whereas before, ‘the future’ was more just a few years down the line, instead of ‘the next generation’); they recognize that they need to model proper behavior to their children (instead of… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
From Comment 24 above: (snipped etc.) Hank on Fri, 25th Mar 2011 1:10 pm The world can support a finite number of people. It’s a problem that will fix itself. (I agree, and, unfortunately, the fix, given current trajectory/momentum of EVERY human folly, will include a world no longer viable for human life. We’ve already tipped the scales in favor of chaos, which will swing us right off the planet…not many agree with me, yet. Dead Humans Walking. IMHO, we’ve already “booted the pooch”. I love the name of this blog. I often consider how the Pacific Gyre will have… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
Well Beth, You are certainly entitled to your opinion. And I agree with you. LOL Even though I would love to adopt a child, being a single man, society and government frowns upon the practice. I find I am a Sexual Suspect because I don’t want a wife. Not having a child with someone is my choice, and like you say it is not an environmentalist one. It is a factual one. I am not likely to make anyone pregnant and since I can’t become pregnant my self, that seems to close the door. I think that if anyone who… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

At this point fortunately, people are still able to make these decisions for themselves. Having said that, I do applaud all the adoptive parents, and when it comes to legal foreign adoptions, I love it that the ethnic mix of our little white bread/Miracle Whip community (97% white) is changing, if only slightly. Embracing diversity will help us all.

Meg
5 years 4 months ago
Hi again EcoCatLady! I think we do have a problem not just looking forward, but also considering others outside of our small circles. The way I see it, we as a species are ALREADY in a crisis. Look at what’s happening all over the globe with climate change and pollutants and so many other problems! And I think it’s sad to see people debating whether or not there “will be” a crisis when there already is for others whom we should be helping and at least not hurting. And not to diminish what others are facing, but it’s not smooth… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
@ Meg – I totally agree that we need to reduce both our population and our consumption in order to avert a crisis. I think that means that we need a new economic system, one that isn’t dependent on constant growth. Don’t know how to get from here to there though. You know, the other thing that always sticks with me when it comes to this sort of discussion, is that we’re all arguing about what we need to do in order to avert a crisis… or I suppose some are arguing that there is no impending crisis in the… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

Many mothers (all the ones I know) pump their milk so when someone else is watching the baby, the baby can drink it. Also, there are those mothers who are just **not able** to produce enough.

Carla
5 years 4 months ago

As an environmentalist, you probably know that breastfeeding is how to feed a baby. And so, I ask why use the photo of a baby drinking out of a bottle to illustrate your point? Formula-feeding (whatever your opinion on it) has a huge impact on the environment (cans, bottles, byproducts, etc.). There are lots of photos babies drinking mother’s milk as mammals are wont to, which is the environmentalist way. (You could argue that the bottle has expressed breastmilk, but not evident…) Just sayin’

Pam
5 years 4 months ago
I realize I am late in the game here, but I just wanted to chime in. I come from a family of 8. My father was self-employed, my mother a full-time homemaker (and bookkeeper for my dad). We all worked in our organic garden, raised rabbits for food, wore hand-me-downs and handmade clothing (my mother sewed). We also canned food, ate fish caught from nearby lakes. Because of the nature of our “big” family, I think we were more resourceful with our consumption. It seems that the families I knew that were smaller had more money to buy more things… Read more »
Meg
5 years 4 months ago
@EcoCatLady Thanks for sharing that video! How sobering! I urge everyone else to watch it. And here is the playlist link: https://www.youtube.com/user/PeacefulKancer#p/c/CD787B1AEC2B2D91/0/Hps7hIalV7o So, I’ve been thinking more and more about this issue and reading the comments, too. It seems that we can’t look at this as either/or, reducing population or reducing consumption. We really have to do both. People have mentioned that improving the quality of life for people in developing countries would reduce their population growth. Yes, it would, but it would increase their consumption, too, and probably make things worse from a purely environmental perspective. That is not… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

I am probably so late on this posting that nobody will read it but…

Get the new $10 video game called Fate of the World. You are given the responsibility to keep the world going, economically and ecologically. The game is elegantly designed, easy to play (not to say it is easy to accomplish the goals!) and it is impossible not to learn about all the interactions of things.

Check it out. It’s a great educational tool and has had rave reviews.

B
5 years 4 months ago
@ EcoCatLady You said: “And PLEASE, can we stop saying that it’s “natural” to want to have kids, as if it is somehow “unnatural” to choose not to procreate?” OMG yes. You are so after my own heart here. Language is so, so, important to me, and I think how we talk about the world is a big part of how we understand it. I’m always the one at the party asking people to please refrain from using gendered insults (like “b*tch” and “d*ck”), or ableist insults, like “lame,” or other oppressive insults, like “gay” or “ghetto.” And I think… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
Sarah – I would argue that both Malthuse and the Elrich’s were correct, they just got the timing wrong because they didn’t anticipate the advent of the green revolution. The problem is that all of this great food-procucing “technology” is based on petroleum, which is a finite resource. I’m sure this will sound “alarmest” to you, but how do you see the world continuing to produce food at the current level once the oil runs out, taking all of the ammonia based fertilizers with it? It seems to me that in the end the green revolution will only end up… Read more »
B
5 years 4 months ago
@ Sarah Johnson You said: “Other posters on this blog keep repeating that an increased population on a finite resource is unsustainable. And while the land area of the Earth is finite, it’s carrying capacity is NOT. The reason man has thwarted global famine is because we keep INCREASING the carrying capacity of the land through technological and agricultural advances.” Which just seems so patently shortsighted to me. Yes, we can keep using resources more and more efficiently (thus increasing carrying capacity), but in the end, there’s only so much energy and resources available on our planet, thus, there IS… Read more »
Carmen
5 years 4 months ago
I have two beautiful daughters that I am teaching to be earth friendly…We try to grow our own food using compost as fertilizer…I have taught them how to make eco friendly cleaners and they in turn are doing the same with their friends…When I was young and childless I did ask couples w/o children why they chose not to have them…I was curious and wanting info for myself…It was not to judge at all…I told them I was proud of them for sticking by their decision and not to let anyone push them…I know families that abuse resourses…It is disturbing… Read more »
Sarah Johnson
5 years 4 months ago
Sarah Johnson
5 years 4 months ago
Let’s examine your apple analogy another way. Instead of looking at how long it takes each group to eat the bushel of apples, let us consider the energy and resources it takes to GROW the apples in the first place. Say I take five individuals and give them each their own plot of land, say a 1/2 acre, give them them apple seeds or even young saplings, and let them each grow their own apples. Each individual will have to water, fertilize, prune, mitigate pests, and tend their own plot. Apple trees require full sun to grow, so each individual… Read more »
hands of eye
5 years 4 months ago
I have the same belief about the future. The world cannot sustain 9 Billion people in a functional manner. It is not possible. look at the pollution overcrowding and poverty around today with close to 7 Billion 2-3 more Billion people will be a collosal hell hole. If your missing that parental instinct adopt a dog or cat. They are just as fun allot easier to take care of and will remain loyal till the day they die. Which cannot be said for every human child. The cause of all the worlds problems. Pollution destruction of habitat hunger poverty are… Read more »
[…] This is the first time I’ve ever seen/read/heard such a peaceful, thoughtful and nuanced discu…. Every other time I’ve read an article or heard people discussing it, it seems that most people take extreme views, one way or another, and aren’t actually interested in thinking about the very complicated and varied opinions involved in this issue. Most people seem to have their minds made up and aren’t interested in changing their thinking at all, no matter what anyone else has to say. It was SO refreshing and extremely thought provoking reading this blog post, and for the FIRST TIME… Read more »
Tami
5 years 4 months ago

Please learn the facts before you choose your worldview. Here are some facts about overpopulation based on numbers from the UN.
http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth

5 years 4 months ago
I was married for many years before having a child at 41. It was not a ‘planned’ pregnancy . . . I decided that if I got pregnant it was meant to be. That was 15 years ago and the most cherished day of my life. I love my son dearly and he is not only a gift to me but a contribution to the world. I respect anybody’s decision not to have children of their own. Not everyone should be a parent and I have high regard for anyone making this conscious choice for whatever reason. Our planet is… Read more »
D.C.
5 years 4 months ago
I think we have too many people on this planet, and I considered that heavily when deciding whether or not to have a child (I now have a one year old). However, I also know that my environmental impact with child is drastically smaller than the environmental impact of the average American. I feel that I more than make up for it, and hopefully I’m breeding a little eco-warrior. I think it comes down to education. People need to understand the impact they are making so that they can decide accordingly. I think if more people were aware, they wouldn’t… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
Thanks for the article. My wife gave birth last Feb. and I contemplated many of these issues (for my thoughts I’ll include the post I wrote for my website: . The recent National Geographic issue (a few months back) talked about hitting 7 billion, but the columnist argued it’s the consumption that is the big issue (which was touched upon in your article). I also threw up a short post a few weeks back about a new “Three Rs”.(http://2ndgreenrevolution.com/2011/03/10/toward-a-new-set-of-three-rs/) While Reduce, Reuse, Recycle are still great and essential, I wanted to add a few more. I’d love any additions to… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

what underbelly said

5 years 4 months ago
I suppose full disclosure from me, too: Degrees in anthropology, English literature, and a Master’s degree in teaching. A degree in anthropology requires study of population drift and population dynamics, and I find the subject so captivating that I continue to study them even after my formal schooling is complete. I understand that a linear A=B=C is oversimplifying the situation. However, all I am contending is that more people=more consumption of resources. Absolutely, some socieities live with less of an impact on the planet (let’s compare Americans to indigenous Papua New Guineans). Say we present each group with a bushel… Read more »
underbelly
5 years 4 months ago
Hi Beth. Great thought-provoking piece, but I am surprised that you didn’t mention anything about the issues surrounding family planning. Like how many women in our country do not have the luxury of safe, easily accessible reproductive health care. Or, how Republicans in Congress are trying to bring Planned Parenthood to its knees, which is an organization that has been key in providing access to reproductive health care to the poor. Or, the A-word. You know, abortion. One of the things that frustrates me about the debate surrounding population explosion is that family planning is often left out of the… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

I don’t think that there is any right answer about which is “better” for the environment. We made the decision to have 1 child. There were several reasons behind it and one did include the environment. It is our hope that we can pass on our passion for the environment to our son so he can be a responsible citizen.

5 years 4 months ago
If you’re going to adopt, why travel halfway across the globe to do it? There are plenty of children in this country who need help, whether waiting for adoption or in the foster system. Giving a child hope is an incredible task – there are so many statistics showing how children in the foster system tend to wind up having “societal” issues – low graduation rates, early pregnancy, criminal records… Besides, one *could* argue it is a worse environmental impact for overseas adoption, seeing that we’re (1) bringing children halfway across the globe and (2) instilling our commercialist values on… Read more »
Natalie
5 years 4 months ago
There is clearly a lot that goes into this issue. One major point is that linking procreation entirely to environmentally impact (as well as severing the link completely) is an oversimplification; see Sarah Johnson’s comments. What seems to be coming up more often in the comments, though, is a desire for each of the personal stories (have / do not have children, adopted / would not adopt, etc.) written here to be supported by society. Ideally, I would wish for a world where everyone has access to education/knowledge about life with/without kids, the impact of having/not having kids, and is… Read more »
Carole
5 years 4 months ago
I feel more strongly about reproductive rights and how my choices impact the environment now that I’m a mom. It’s true that the kids have had an adverse effect on our environmental footprint, but we do the best we can– buy/sell used, cloth diaper, make our own baby food, breastfeed… I know that raising kids is hard, in general, so putting in the extra effort to raise then “green” is well worth it. I think more and more parents feel the same way. I certainly don’t look down on anyone who don’t want kids. I agree that having kids should… Read more »
Emily
5 years 4 months ago

I give this article a thumbs down.

5 years 4 months ago
Hi Emily. Would you please elaborate on what you are giving a “thumbs down” to? Is it the topic? Is it the Huff Post article? There are so many different ideas here, it’s hard to know which one(s) you object to. Lots of points of view are represented and even more in the comments, which, btw, are amazing. I think I must have the best readers in the world. I hesitated to post on this topic because it can be such a touchy subject, but everyone here, regardless of their opinion, has been thoughtful, intelligent, and decent. Thank you, guys!… Read more »
Bizz
5 years 4 months ago
This has been an issue that’s gone through my mind a lot. I, too, have that maternal instinct to have babies. But, at least right now, I choose not to. In my mind I put forth the thought, “Maybe one day, but not anytime soon.” I do believe that population is a problem. But that’s not why I don’t want children. We as a species have come so far technologically that we don’t have to worry about a decrease in population due to things like disease, which is in essence a natural population control. In the wild, the more of… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
I am so glad to see that people are finally willing to talk about this issue. I have long believed that there are too many people on this planet, but until very recently it’s been an issue that was too taboo to talk about. I remember about 10 years ago, I mentioned the subject in a casual conversation, only to have a self-proclaimed atheist scream at me about his god give right to have children. That was a weird moment, but at least he stopped hitting on me! :~) The thing is, I think most people are deeply ambivalant about… Read more »
B
5 years 4 months ago
So, thanks, Beth and Jason for encouraging me to speak further. (That is actually something of a minor personal issue of mine- realizing my own worth/importance/voice- funny how those issue show up everywhere!) Anyhoo, I’m responding to the link Jason posted. This comment won’t make much sense at al if you haven’t read it, so here it is again. 1. It WOULD be making it someone else’s problem if only child-free people were concerned about it, but a lot of people (including many who have children) are concerned about global population, and make it their own concern. So to call… Read more »
Sara Jennings
5 years 4 months ago
I am an environmentalist, who for the population argument does not want to have bio-kids, and for that reason am in the process to adopt RIGHT NOW. The mother is due to give birth in two months, and I will be a mum of a newborn adopted not only from my own province, but from my own town. The adoption is going to be very open and the birth mother and I have been getting to know eachother and are now close friends. It has been amazing so far. I did not want to adopt from another country for many… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

Thank you Sarah for the links and very well written post.

5 years 4 months ago
I read the piece at Huffington Post and your post as well. I thought your post thoughtful and thought provoking. I read a couple of the comments and found even more to think about. I am 48 and childless but not exactly by choice. My husband and I are were not able to have children and we chose not to officially adopt for many of the reasons pointed out. We also chose not to pursue fertility treatments as they can strain finances, health, and marriages. We both worked in education and mentored many of the students who passed through our… Read more »
Kaitlyn
5 years 4 months ago
Thank you Sarah Johnson with great response and all of the links to back up your points. It is nice to have those who are educated in this field participate in these discussions. I really appreciated that you said no matter what decision you make regarding children, do not claim that it is for environmental reasons- that is what I was thinking as I read all of the comments. I also agree with those who have said that if you choose to have children, whether biological or adopted, that you can be a responsible parent by teaching your children the… Read more »
Sarah Johnson
5 years 4 months ago
Amy K.- The logic of more people = more carbon = more climate change makes numerous assumptions and can over simplify the issue. First, as Beth’s blog has shown over and over, not everyone shares the same consumption patterns and behaviors. We tend to be ethnocentric in our world view and apply our behaviors and belief systems to the rest of the world. We must wade deeper into the data and look at the consumption patterns (which demographics are consuming what and at what rate). Aging populations tend to have lower emissions, because older people usually travel less, consume less,… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
Sarah, I appreciate your comments, and I’m very glad to hear you say that to tackle population, we must tackle poverty. I’m wondering about your statement that an increased population has not necessarily led to climate change/is not necessarily bad for the environment. I’m certainly simplifying, but it seems to me that the link is straightforward: more people = more carbon emissions = more climate change. I understand we need to consider where the population increases are occuring, but I would suggest that even given our steady/declining growth rate in the U.S., we keep inventing more ways to use fossil… Read more »
mrs spock
5 years 4 months ago
As an infertile woman, I am happy to see it mentioned that procreating is a deep biological impulse. Infertile couples are often told how they should or should not handle their infertility based on the earth’s overpopulation. Having a child or remaining childfree is a deeply personal decision that should be respected by the rest of us. We have two children who will hopefully live to adulthood and replace each of us. Our net contribution to population growth should be zero. There are plenty of ways to decrease your environmental impact if you are inclined to have children. We use… Read more »
Reenie R
5 years 4 months ago
One of my meditation teachers has said that raising a child is the greatest art, even greater than music, poetry, painting, etc. I became a parent at age 19, and because I came from a big (and I might add very nutty) family, I thought I was prepared for raising a child. How wrong ! Decades later, after having observed the results of full loving sane parenting, I see some of the ways I messed up. I do not recommend becoming a parent unless you have had great loving sane (and maybe even intelligent) parents. But if you are one… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
Wow. What a thoughtful, intelligent discussion about a sticky issue. I think many of these are valid perspectives. This is also a reminder to me of how lucky most of us in the conversation are to be able to bring so much thought and personal preference to this question. The very idea that we can choose to be parents, and choose how we will be parents is a new one, as women, and isn’t shared by the majority of the world’s population–including the moms who bore my daughters and just live across town from me, let alone women in poor… Read more »
Julia
5 years 4 months ago
I think there are good reasons to be in all the boats, wanting your own kids, wanting kids but adopting, or not wanting any at all. I also think there are negatives with them as well. There’s two aspects I tie together in my mind quite clearly. The first being that I do feel procreation is a natural instinct that many people feel, and I agree that it ties us to our world as creatures. The second is that our culture has a backlash manifested in child hating. I fantasize in my head that if more people were exposed to… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

Thank you, thank you, Sarah Johnson for that amazing comment with all those sources! I am glad to see it in print that population growth is no longer considered an “open-and-shut case” anymore, as was my sense. Here’s an article I came across with some of the same points (population growth no longer a big concern; population decline will be a bigger challenge):
http://www.economist.com/node/9545933?story_id=9545933

5 years 4 months ago
I did not mean to suggest that people without children do not or cannot care about the Earth. What I am saying is that having children is central to the human experience for many, many humans. How do you think the arguments printed here would play with the millions of devout religious of the world? If a tenant of environmentalism is that childlessness is the higher road, I think you will lose lots of people. I do not think environmentalism will succeed as a movement by placing itself at odds with basic human urges such as procreation. If you would… Read more »
Sarah Johnson
5 years 4 months ago
First, in the spirit of full disclosure, I am Conservation Biologist with my Ph.D. in Environmental Science and Public Policy. I am single with no children. Now, on to my very lengthy response…. Weiss’s article shows an all too common lack of understanding of the issue of population and climate change. I feel like she’s just regurgitating the buzzwords and bylines of the “green movement” without looking at all sides of the issue. Is the average global population growing? Yes. Is it growing everywhere? No. The majority of population growth in the world is occurring in emerging economies of the… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
Ahh, briefly, I hope: ~ I tried to adopt locally and swap through fertility clinics, but the barriers for a single queer woman were insurmountable. ~ I have two children with two different actively involved fathers and we consider ourselves a family. ~ I think raising kids to live lightly and responsibly on the Earth is helpful. 40% of the US fossil fuel consumption goes to private transportation (cars, SUVS, the dreaded “family” mini van). That fossil fuel consumption is genociding /sinking many nations of Pacific Islanders through “climate change”. As a family living lightly and travelling by bikes, we… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
I, too, plan to have no children, though the decision wasn’t made for purely environmental reasons. I’m concerned that people have children simply because that’s the next expected step in our culture – marriage, baby, college, grow old and gray together with a white picket fence. Having children is perhaps the most serious and profound decision a person can make. At this moment in my life, I’m simply lacking that visceral desire to be a mother. Given that lack of desire, is there any other real reason to have kids? People suggest to me and my husband that we’ll be… Read more »
Mary Ann
5 years 4 months ago

In response to Mary K’s comment on birth control and how family planning should be done in a “natural way”, I can honestly tell you that I am on this earth because this does not work for every woman. My mother and father tried this method, as birth control was against their religious beliefs. Because it did not work for them, am the youngest of 10 children.

5 years 4 months ago

@Betsy; personally, I would like to save the Earth for the Earth. As to thinking being childless makes me greener, I do not think most reasonable Eco people think that way – except when it comes tp families like the Druegers (sp?) and their excessive number of kids. One or two? Fine. Eight or ten? That’s going overboard.

S
5 years 4 months ago
I am childless by choice. I am 58 years old. I decided to have my tubes tied at the age of 29. I knew then, as I know now, that I could not justify bringing a child into this world. And if at some point I did decide I just had to be a mother and a parent, adoption was always a choice. If you’re looking to not adopt because it is hard and expensive and the adopted child is not comprised of your DNA, then maybe you just aren’t having children for the right reasons. At 29, I did… Read more »
Paula
5 years 4 months ago
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth.html Here is some interesting research to consider when thinking about these issues. Coming up with a moral/environmental rational about whether or not to have children isn’t going to convince anyone either way, although it may support someone who’s already made a choice. We need to just respect each decision, hoping that they are acting from a deep personal desire to foster another human being (or just themselves/their own lives if they don’t feel a need to have children) no matter what the circumstances may end up, and not any philosophical or idealistic vision of parenting. Being smart about sex,… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

After reading everyone’s posts I would have to say that Betsy (Eco-novice) and Abbie’s points make the most sense for me. I am too tired right now to think about it so ditto.
The first thing I thought of when adoption from a less developed country is that yes you are not adding another child to the earth, but if you bring a child here and they use the resources like Canadian’s and American’s there will actually be an increase rather than equal or less use of resources.

Jason
5 years 4 months ago

@B, I’m new here too but I imagine your counterarguments are welcome here – they’re certainly welcome on as well…

5 years 4 months ago

EVERYONE’S comments are welcome as long as they are civil and don’t include personal attacks. B, please do keep going if you have more to say. I love a challenging discussion with many points of view.

5 years 4 months ago
I will chime in here and defend my position a bit although I will admit it is more philosophical than scientific at this point in time (I readily admit I am not up on the latest environmental population research). I think everyone can agree that our current natural resources are grossly mismanaged (think corn being grown to feed cows, rainforests destroyed to grow coffee, fields of poppy to be made into heroin and so on). If we utilized our resources in a different way, or had pursued cleaner energy options a hundred years ago, we would be in a very… Read more »
Mary
5 years 4 months ago
My husband and I have often said we’ll never have kids. Sometimes we mean it, and sometimes maybe we don’t. We’ve only been married 2 years, so we have time to decide. But every time I’ve mentioned to my family that we might not want kids, they first seem to need to know WHY, and then they say, “Oh, you’ll feel differently when the time comes.” Well, now I AM starting to feel differently, but I don’t want to admit it. I’ll just give it time. I figure in 3-5 years I might feel ready to have a kid, but… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
Beth, Thank you for your thought filled blogs. I have been following your blog from the start, because I too was trying to find better ways to live my life and to run my business in a responsible way. My interest in environmental issues, started at a young age, 40 years ago. I made the choice to have a large family; four children, who have grown up to be writer, designer, musician and doctor of physics. One of my concerns is that with so many of us who are concerned about the planet, making the decision not to have children,… Read more »
Hank
5 years 4 months ago
The world can support a finite number of people. Maybe that is 8 billion, maybe 80 billion. It’s a problem that will fix itself. Unfortunately, that fix may be a terrible, terrible thing if it is based on running out of resources and precipitates destroying our co-inhabitants. Not enough people see how unsustainable the current path is, whether enough people wake up before famine, disease, war and other destructive forces take over is a scary unknown. I think as a rational, caring, and longterm focused individual, it is fine to have children or adopt if doing so is within your… Read more »
andria
5 years 4 months ago
Just think if those in the world who value and stride towards a heathier, cleaner, less wastefull planet chose not to have children. . . scary. As a mother of three planned children and as a sped teacher I think so much of our changing social culture is created by Parents. Children learn from watching those that raise them (for better or worse). I think my three daughters can help make the world a better place. My parents believed in composting, recycling and reuse and reduce and passed that on to me, I hope to pass these values on to… Read more »
Deb T.
5 years 4 months ago
Several thoughts… 1) I am an adoptive parent, and struggled with some of the same thoughts as one of the gals you mention–I wasn’t sure if I wanted to bring children into a world that seems to be getting worse & worse. HOWEVER, I have always had an ache in my core to be a mother, so that won out. Adoption is definitely not easy, is expensive, and is not the same as parenting a child that is biologically yours. 2) Before we had our kids, a wise Rabbi once told a group of friends & myself, “If you want… Read more »
Desi
5 years 4 months ago
I’m an environmentalist, and I have two kids biologically my own. My husband and I considered adoption when we were having some fertility issues, but it really was a last resort scenario for us. We felt a deep need to be parents. And after watching the struggles people close to us have gone through in order to adopt privately, through agencies, and via foster care, I prayed we wouldn’t have to become parents that way. Your friend is right – sex is easy, free, and relatively stress-free. After our second child turned two, we opted for sterility over birth control… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
On responsibility for population increase: My parents are dead. My wife’s parents are dead. One day my wife and I will be dead. We will leave two children. Their child-bearing decisions have not yet been made, but in the period of 113 years running from 1898 (the birth year of the oldest parent) to today there has been no net increase in the number of humans produced by our two family lines. Any births (additions) are followed eventually by an equal number of deaths (subtractions) leaving no net increase. Since 1898 the world’s population has grown tremendously, but I can… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

In regards to plastic, I would argue that women who choose to adopt should consider inducing lactation to reduce the need for bottles, nipples, formula cans… and everything that goes along with it. Just one tiny piece of the pie!

I’d also argue that adopting a child from the developing world and raising him or her the “American” way won’t make a difference in the big picture.

Tara
5 years 4 months ago
I am a GINK too, although that was not my only or even my main reason for being childfree. I am a vegetarian although I have 2 cats and 2 dogs and a spouse who are not. Basically I try to do what I can to help the environment (sold my car too). As for adoption, it’s a risky proposition that can take a heavy toll – as someone else pointed out, they are a kind of special-needs child. So I would not recommend that as a blanket equivalent to having your own. My hope is that people will think… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
Great post about the never-ending discussion about over-population. I chose to have children and don’t necessarily subscribe to the over-population is the sole cause of the world’s environmental problems theory. I realize that population is a big factor, but consumption is a bigger one. Consumption and distribution of resources can be affected by people in developed nations choosing to not have children, or having fewer, but it is not a necessary result. My hope is that women can be supported in their childbearing decisions and those that do have children will raise them to be aware of their impact on… Read more »
B
5 years 4 months ago

*counter-argumentS

Plural.

Sorry for the typo.

5 years 4 months ago
Beth, What an interesting article. First, let me say, that your decision needs no explanation or defending. If you choose not to have children then that is where the conversation should end. People who feel the need to argue with you or point out why this is a bad thing are stepping over the line. Having said that, I am glad I am a parent and would not trade my oops baby for anything. My son had made me a better person and finally forced me to take stock and grow up. Not all people have to have a baby… Read more »
B
5 years 4 months ago
I, like you, am someone above described as “GINK.” And, I have been thinking about the connection between environmentalism and population for a LONG TIME. It is true that, when we start talking about population growth as an environmental problem, we need to be careful not to stigmatize poor people (in this country or any other), just as, when we talk about overconsumption as an environmental problem, we need to be careful not to stigmatize fat people. The point in both cases being that having kids or being fat are complicated, complicated things, AND we must respect and protect individual… Read more »
Meg
5 years 4 months ago
My husband and I are happy to be child-free. We got married young and we expected to have kids. Heck, a lot of people assumed I was pregnant! (Suspicions that I wish they had kept to themselves.) But, my mom had always taught me that things change when you have kids and that it’s o.k. to not rush into it and just enjoy being married first. And that was coming from a woman who LOVES being a mom! So we did wait. And then we realized that we didn’t really want kids. We just assumed we would have them, that… Read more »
greg
5 years 4 months ago
I decided to have one amazing baby and I am blessed. But the plastic gifts she has recieved from good meaning people has amazed me. I have tried to return as many as I can. There is no question affluent countries produce a lot of “stuff” for the baby industry. As a parent you are made to feel guilty if you don’t have all this crap availabe for your kid. The doctor actualy told me to try to take her to Disney World every year! I hope I teach my girl a deep responsiblily for the earth and that she… Read more »
Kate
5 years 4 months ago
@Jason, population IS tied to societal collapse and environmental degradation. It’s true that Americans consume too much, which is another reason one could argue that it is irresponsible for American families to have more than, say, two kids each. Maybe one kid each would be better. We use too many resources, and no matter how conscientious we are, our kids will be using too many too. The two books my husband always recommends on collapse are Joseph Tainter’s The Collapse of Complex Societies and Jared Diamond’s book. National Geographic did a show about Diamond’s book too, which you can watch… Read more »
Kaylen
5 years 4 months ago

I’m an environmentalist and I’m child-free. I like children, but not enough to want them full time – it’s convenient that this is compatible with my desire to limit my environmental impact. I have a loving relationship with some of my friends’ kids, which seems to suit everyone. That said, I love dogs and want them around me frequently/always, so I have 2 dogs and intend to continue adopting dogs throughout my life. Meat-eating dogs are not exactly low-impact.

I wish Ms. Weiss luck – adopting infants is not an easy or inexpensive thing to do.

Mary K
5 years 4 months ago
Several things come to mind for me….. 1) I am currently pregnant with my first child. In my religious belief system, having children is a gift from God, and it is a reflection of God’s love being shown through the “fruit” of marriage. While there are definitely less than fun moments during pregnancy, it is a wonderful experience, and I love it. I don’t think that childbearing is a burden…. our society has warped our view of childbirth into being nothing but a horrible, painful means to an end, so bad that many women believe their bodies can’t give birth… Read more »
Annette
5 years 4 months ago
Thought provoking! I had two daughters (was on the pill both times) and tied my tubes once K15 was born. I was not planning to have children only bcz it did not fit into what I wanted to do with my life. That and the responsibility of children scared the dickens out of me. Now I would not give them up. I have, sadly, witnessed women having children only because it increased the amount of money they were given from the state and these additional souls allowed them to qualify for state programs. These children will grow up in some… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago
I don’t think adopting children has much of an impact seeing as they are already born so no sense arguing whether their birth will have an affect or not. I think people should adopt through legit organizations and there needs to be education so families in other countries are not lured by giving away their child to get that “rich American” lifestyle. For those who want to adopt a great way to start is by fostering local children from their state. This way you get to see what it is actually like taking in a child from another home that… Read more »
Jason
5 years 4 months ago

I kind of lashed out a bit on this after a few beers so I sound a little jerky, but I think it’s about right:

5 years 4 months ago

Oh sorry, I meant to call you TAFKAFPF. ;)

5 years 4 months ago

Okay, Fake Plastic Fish, you’ve got me thinking again. I’ll try and get a response to your post up on Monday. But, great post … this is a lot of food for thought!!

5 years 4 months ago

Good article! Grist has talked about it a lot and come up with the term GINK – Green Inclined, No Kids. As they mention, the great thing about being gink is you can be a great aunt/mother’s best friend/whatever when your kidless. I don’t have kids but I plan to be a good environmental influence on my friend’s baby. (Guess who’s getting a klean kanteen sippy cup!!)
I’m going to have to disagree with Betsy, I only glare at *misbehaved* children on planes & restaurants.

The ethical question is a good one. I’d like to see that addressed.

Kate
5 years 4 months ago
I’d argue with Betsy on her point. If we’re to look at collapse, true collapse, it’s true that over population IS a problem, particularly with the additional pressures global warming is putting on our environment. More people means more needs for food, water, and energy. My husband is an archaeologist studying collapse and regeneration. Over population and over consumption of resources go hand in hand and they are at the heart of every large collapse in humanity’s past. But on the other issue here, I think it’s a shame that women who choose not to have kids have to defend… Read more »
5 years 4 months ago

Good article! Grist has talked about it a lot and come up with the term GINK – Green Inclined, No Kids. As they mention, the great thing about being gink is you can be a great aunt/mother’s best friend/whatever when your kidless
I’m going to have to disagree with Betsy, I only glare at *misbehaved* children on planes & restaurants.

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