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February 26, 2013

Turtleback Listens! Company to Make Product That Degrades in Sea Water.

Turtleback-cup-holder-02Hey, remember my rant last spring about the plastic Turtleback cup holder meant to be used at the beach? And how I thought it was so ironic to name a product for a sea animal that is routinely harmed by ocean plastic pollution? A bunch of green bloggers created quite a stir on Turtleback’s Facebook page back then, and after initially being taken aback by it all, the owner, Ryan Housley, listened.  In fact, he had an open mind from the very start.

Switching to Biodegradable Material

Yesterday, Ryan emailed me a link to the company’s new Kickstarter campaign. The campaign is to fund the development of Turtleback 2.0, a version made from biodegradable plastic (Mirel), a plant-based plastic that is certified to not only biodegrade on land but also in sea water. In fact, it is the only bio-plastic certified to break down in the ocean, as far as I know, and it has also been tested by the folks at the Algalita Marine Research Institute, whose mission is to solve the plastic pollution problem.

Why does the company need a Kickstarter to make the change? For one thing, Mirel is freaking expensive at this point. It’s not cheap like fossil-based plastic because there is not yet the demand for it.  What’s more, the new Turtleback will be manufactured in the United States instead of China.

Keeping It Real

While I think switching to bio-based, biodegradable materials is a great step, I want to encourage Turtlebacks to change their advertising images.  I am still seeing that ubiquitous red solo cup (which is made from polystyrene) in many of their images, as well as disposable plastic bottles and other non-biodegradable plastics.  Wouldn’t the Turtleback cup holder look great holding a stainless cup or water bottle?

How about something like this?

 

Turtleback-alternative-01

Please Show Your Support

When companies listen and take action, it’s important for us to show our support.  Here are some things you can do:

1) Contribute to the Kickstarter campaign

2) Leave a thank you comment on Turtleback’s Facebook page

3) Forward the Kickstarter page to your friends / post on Facebook / Tweet

4) Give a helpful suggestion — ask Turtleback to change its marketing materials to show reusable cups and bottles instead of disposable plastic.

 

80 comments
AlexFranco
AlexFranco

I visit beaches all over the world and constantly find pieces of beach toys.  Not to take the fun out of beaches for kids, but lets consider playing with what nature gave us and educate our kids on playing with nature and just enjoying the sand and water and all the little shells and creatures without all the plastic pails, shovels and toys - at least these should be made mandatory bio-degradable, just like no one wants BPA in baby bottles, we should take the same consideration for our oceans' sea life as no one surely wants to ingest BPA in their seafood dinner!  We can prevent the problem all together rather than fix it and educate our children to appreciate the oceans and protect them from unnecessary plastic toys and debris.  Keep it simple

AlexFranco
AlexFranco

I visit beaches all over the world and constantly find pieces of beach toys.  Not to take the fun out of beaches for kids, but lets consider playing with what nature gave us and educate our kids on playing with nature and just enjoying the sand and water and all the little shells and creatures without all the plastic pails, shovels and toys - at least these should be made mandatory bio-degradable, just like no one wants BPA in baby bottles, we should take the same consideration for our oceans' sea life as no one surely wants to ingest BPA in their seafood dinner!

AlexFranco
AlexFranco

We can all avoid the entire (bio)plastic by just putting our cups/bottles in the sand as a holder - the way nature intended and not promote or use any "cup holder"  - is it really necessary to begin with?  The sand acts as a natural insulator keeping your drinks cold (or warm) , it's free and is 100% pollution free.  Lets solve this issue easily by not being consumers of wasteful items in the first place.

AlexFranco
AlexFranco

We can all avoid the entire (bio)plastic by just putting our cups/bottles in the sand as a holder - the way nature intended and not promote or use any "cup holder"  - is it really necessary to begin with?  The sand acts as a natural insulator keeping your drinks cold (or warm) , it's free and is 100% pollution free.  Lets solve this issue easily by not being consumers of wasteful items in the first place.

girloffthegrid
girloffthegrid

Well, it's nice that he listened but plastic is still plastic, when it bio degrades sea creatures still mistake it for food. :(

girloffthegrid
girloffthegrid

Well, it's nice that he listened but plastic is still plastic, when it bio degrades sea creatures still mistake it for food. :(

Beth Terry
Beth Terry

South Florida Green News, what is it that makes you suspicious? Are you in doubt that it will biodegrade or something else? It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than fossil-based plastic, right? And it's not a single-use disposable item.

Beth Terry
Beth Terry

South Florida Green News, what is it that makes you suspicious? Are you in doubt that it will biodegrade or something else? It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than fossil-based plastic, right? And it's not a single-use disposable item.

Judithl
Judithl

Oh good grief!

What did people do 60 years ago?

Made a bit of an impression in the sand and either just set the item in it, or pressed/screwed the item deeper in.

Why can't y'all still do that?

First world "problems" and "solutions" are what is destroying this planet!

Judithl
Judithl

Oh good grief!

What did people do 60 years ago?

Made a bit of an impression in the sand and either just set the item in it, or pressed/screwed the item deeper in.

Why can't y'all still do that?

First world "problems" and "solutions" are what is destroying this planet!

awilkins
awilkins

So Beth,

When are you going to stop blogging? Because surely you'd only want to use a computer that has its casing made out of bio-degradable plastic.

Wouldn't you?

awilkins
awilkins

So Beth,

When are you going to stop blogging? Because surely you'd only want to use a computer that has its casing made out of bio-degradable plastic.

Wouldn't you?

My Plastic-free Life
My Plastic-free Life

Emily Utter, it does biodegrade. The folks at Algalita have actually tested it too.

BethTerry
BethTerry moderator

@girloffthegrid Yep.  You are right.  But it's a step in the right direction.  Instead of plastic that lasts forever in the ocean, this is plastic that will last a few years and then completely biodegrade.  Yes, it will still harm sea animals, but not as many and for not as long.  The point of this post was not to promote this product but to thank a company that was making a worse product for listening and taking a step forward.

BethTerry
BethTerry

girloffthegrid Yep.  You are right.  But it's a step in the right direction.  Instead of plastic that lasts forever in the ocean, this is plastic that will last a few years and then completely biodegrade.  Yes, it will still harm sea animals, but not as many and for not as long.  The point of this post was not to promote this product but to thank a company that was making a worse product for listening and taking a step forward.

Anne
Anne

@Judithl  

Yes.  Why does no-one ever say, "Go without"?  Why isn't that a/the solution?  It's just, "How can I still have as much crap?"  Ridiculous!

 

BethTerry
BethTerry moderator

 @Judithl I agree with you that this product may not be necessary.  But they are very popular.  So if we are going to have them, then lets applaud the owner for redesigning them to biodegrade.

BethTerry
BethTerry

@Judithl I agree with you that this product may not be necessary.  But they are very popular.  So if we are going to have them, then lets applaud the owner for redesigning them to biodegrade.

The axman
The axman

@awilkins Dont mock her awilkins, She may be saving your life!

awilkins
awilkins

 @The axman  @awilkins I hope to hell you're being sarcastic. If not, why do you think someone refusing to drink from a plastic bottle is going to save my life?

Personally, whenever I go scuba diving, I've always found that the parts made out of plastic do a really good job of saving my life ;)

You might not want to admit it, but plastic has liberated us. Our technology has come on leaps and bounds since we could make things out of plastic - have you ever seem a computer made out of just metal and wood? No, thought not.

awilkins
awilkins

 @BethTerry I read nos 68 and 69. You're logical weakness astounds me. If everybody stopped buying new technology and kept buying secondhand items, such as old laptops and monitors, we'd end up in a vicious spiral of a stagnant lack of technological development and any technology we do try to hold onto will eventually break and become unusable. If you follow this through to it's logical conclusion, we'll end up with nothing, surrounded by broken computers, fridges, and televisions. We won't be able to communicate effectively, keep food fresh, or watch the news. In other words, we'll be thrust back to the 19th Century. That's not somewhere I want to be.

 

awilkins
awilkins

@The axman  @awilkins I hope to hell you're being sarcastic. If not, why do you think someone refusing to drink from a plastic bottle is going to save my life?

Personally, whenever I go scuba diving, I've always found that the parts made out of plastic do a really good job of saving my life ;)

You might not want to admit it, but plastic has liberated us. Our technology has come on leaps and bounds since we could make things out of plastic - have you ever seem a computer made out of just metal and wood? No, thought not.

awilkins
awilkins

@BethTerry I read nos 68 and 69. You're logical weakness astounds me. If everybody stopped buying new technology and kept buying secondhand items, such as old laptops and monitors, we'd end up in a vicious spiral of a stagnant lack of technological development and any technology we do try to hold onto will eventually break and become unusable. If you follow this through to it's logical conclusion, we'll end up with nothing, surrounded by broken computers, fridges, and televisions. We won't be able to communicate effectively, keep food fresh, or watch the news. In other words, we'll be thrust back to the 19th Century. That's not somewhere I want to be.

blade
blade

 @awilkins

You actually spent a whole week on this blog, reading (hence you can read!) and mocking around - that's a lot of energy spent, your contribution being ABSOLUT ZERO. you're the perfect example of a total waste of resources (if you get my point)!

BethTerry
BethTerry moderator

 @The axman  @awilkins  I haven't jumped into this fray because I've been sick with flu and now am out of town giving presentations on plastic-free living.  I would just remind you all to please keep it civil and not to attack each other directly.  Exchanging differing points of view is fine.  I don't censor the comments on this blog unless they become too snarky (a little snark is okay) and mean.

awilkins
awilkins

@The axman @The Have you ever heard of the sport "Winding Up A Greenie Liberal"? If you haven't before, you might now have just realised that I've enjoyed spending the last few days irritating the pants off you, as you got more and more screechy. Why are you greens such easy targets? Right, I'll stop playing with you now: I'm off to go and enjoy my comfortable life, supported by the energy and products that fossil fuels have given me. NB Don't forget that the Earth hasn't warmed for the past 17 years - so we've got nothing to worry about. Toodle-pip!

awilkins
awilkins

@The axman @awilkins " If every body out there has the same philosophy as you, that wonderful liberator, Plastic will be around on this earth after the human race and most other life, is long gone!" You want to get rid of plastic? No problem - just burn it in incinerators to generate energy in industrial scale power plants. However, I suppose that solution is not 'green' enough for you, and doesn't involve people depriving themselves of a modern-day material so that you can feel all warm and fuzzy about us all going 'back to the garden'

The axman
The axman

 @awilkins Yes, we are very clever, arn't we. We have made so many wonderful things without considering the long term ramifications that they have on this earth. It is not our earth, what right do we have to ruin it. Without people like Beth creating awareness and encouraging other people to reduce the amount of plastic they use, it will be stuffed before you get old. It's also about encouraging manufacturers to find and research alternative, eco friendly materials. If we don't demand it, they won't do it. If every body out there has the same philosophy as you, that wonderful liberator, Plastic will be around on this earth after the human race and most other life, is long gone!

BethTerry
BethTerry moderator

 @awilkins If we learn to fix things when they break and use our ingenuity to create products that are meant to last and can be repaired rather than replaced, then we will end up with working technology and far fewer broken computers, fridges, and televisions than we currently have.  Don't think we are surrounded by piles of obsolete technology already?  That is because we ship most of our e-waste overseas, where it piles up and leaches toxic chemicals in third world countries.  It's a big problem created by planned obsolescence.  Take a look:

 

http://www.electronicstakeback.com/global-e-waste-dumping/

 

When you say "we" will be thrust back into the 19th century, which "we" are you talking about?  Because the majority of the people on this planet are far below U.S. standards.   Those are the people who must deal with the waste "we" generate.I believe we can use our creativity and intelligence to create products that are useful, non-toxic, and meant to last.  Products that can be easily upgraded.  Fewer resources are required to add memory or upgrade software than to trash and replace an entire machine.  But that is what many of us are currently forced to do because of the way machines are currently designed.  

 

We live on a finite planet.  Endless growth is unsustainable.

The axman
The axman

 @awilkins  @BethTerry Again awilkins, its about encouraging manufacturers to research and find suitable alternatives to the current, poison leeching products they are supplying us with, at the moment. Imagine a modern, sophisticated high speed, fancy laptop that can do anything that the most modern plastic laptops can do, but made out of non poisonous, bio degradable material that won't still be laying around the place in a thousand years. By putting pressure on manufacturers by not buying their products when possible and telling them why you are not buying their products, will eventually (if enough of us do it) force them to seek out suitable alternative measures.

razor_blade
razor_blade

@awilkins  

You actually spent a whole week on this blog, reading (hence you can read!) and mocking around - that's a lot of energy spent, your contribution being ABSOLUT ZERO. you're the perfect example of a total waste of resources (if you get my point)!

BethTerry
BethTerry

@The axman  @awilkins  I haven't jumped into this fray because I've been sick with flu and now am out of town giving presentations on plastic-free living.  I would just remind you all to please keep it civil and not to attack each other directly.  Exchanging differing points of view is fine.  I don't censor the comments on this blog unless they become too snarky (a little snark is okay) and mean.

The axman
The axman

@awilkins  @The  @The Like I said. Kicking a dead horse and going nowhere!

awilkins
awilkins

@The axman @The

Have you ever heard of the sport "Winding Up A Greenie Liberal"? If you haven't before, you might now have just realised that I've enjoyed spending the last few days irritating the pants off you, as you got more and more screechy. Why are you greens such easy targets?

Right, I'll stop playing with you now: I'm off to go and enjoy my comfortable life, supported by the energy and products that fossil fuels have given me.

NB Don't forget that the Earth hasn't warmed for the past 17 years - so we've got nothing to worry about.

Toodle-pip!

The axman
The axman

@awilkins  @The Have you ever heard the phrase "kicking a dead horse"?

awilkins
awilkins

@The axman @awilkins

" If every body out there has the same philosophy as you, that wonderful liberator, Plastic will be around on this earth after the human race and most other life, is long gone!"

You want to get rid of plastic? No problem - just burn it in incinerators to generate energy in industrial scale power plants.

However, I suppose that solution is not 'green' enough for you, and doesn't involve people depriving themselves of a modern-day material so that you can feel all warm and fuzzy about us all going 'back to the garden'

The axman
The axman

@awilkins Yes, we are very clever, arn't we. We have made so many wonderful things without considering the long term ramifications that they have on this earth. It is not our earth, what right do we have to ruin it. Without people like Beth creating awareness and encouraging other people to reduce the amount of plastic they use, it will be stuffed before you get old. It's also about encouraging manufacturers to find and research alternative, eco friendly materials. If we don't demand it, they won't do it. If every body out there has the same philosophy as you, that wonderful liberator, Plastic will be around on this earth after the human race and most other life, is long gone!

BethTerry
BethTerry

@awilkins If we learn to fix things when they break and use our ingenuity to create products that are meant to last and can be repaired rather than replaced, then we will end up with working technology and far fewer broken computers, fridges, and televisions than we currently have.  Don't think we are surrounded by piles of obsolete technology already?  That is because we ship most of our e-waste overseas, where it piles up and leaches toxic chemicals in third world countries.  It's a big problem created by planned obsolescence.  Take a look:

 

http://www.electronicstakeback.com/global-e-waste-dumping/

 

When you say "we" will be thrust back into the 19th century, which "we" are you talking about?  Because the majority of the people on this planet are far below U.S. standards.   Those are the people who must deal with the waste "we" generate.I believe we can use our creativity and intelligence to create products that are useful, non-toxic, and meant to last.  Products that can be easily upgraded.  Fewer resources are required to add memory or upgrade software than to trash and replace an entire machine.  But that is what many of us are currently forced to do because of the way machines are currently designed.  

 

We live on a finite planet.  Endless growth is unsustainable.

The axman
The axman

@awilkins  @BethTerry Again awilkins, its about encouraging manufacturers to research and find suitable alternatives to the current, poison leeching products they are supplying us with, at the moment. Imagine a modern, sophisticated high speed, fancy laptop that can do anything that the most modern plastic laptops can do, but made out of non poisonous, bio degradable material that won't still be laying around the place in a thousand years. By putting pressure on manufacturers by not buying their products when possible and telling them why you are not buying their products, will eventually (if enough of us do it) force them to seek out suitable alternative measures.

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